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Re: [IAOC] question to the IAOC: new committee members
2016-11-16 20:14:01
I told you the process we used for the legal committee
we knew Joel, he was the only volunteer, no one said anything against him, so
we said OK
I’m not sure want more we could have said in the minutes in this case
others can speak to the other committees
Scott
On Nov 16, 2016, at 9:07 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
<jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es> wrote:
I did, and 3 times already.
They only reflect the decision, not the process. IT IS NOT TRANSPARENT.
Committee Member Updates
1. On July 18, 2016 the IAOC Chair announced that the IAOC was interested in
broadening nonmember
participation in its committees and requested those who were interested to
respond
by 1 August.
2. The IAOC received expressions of interest from 9 community members.
Resolution
The IAOC appoints the following community members (+ ex-officio positions) to
the respective
committee based upon their experience and interest, and subject to their
[availability]
willingness to execute a non-disclosure agreement, for the 2016-2017 term:
a. Finance Committee - Michael Richardson
b. Legal Committee - Joel Halpern
c. Meetings Committee - Yang Huaru, Avri Doria
Jari made the motion to approve the new committee members. John seconded the
motion.
Roll Call:
Jari Arkko [YES]
Lou Berger [YES]
Kathy Brown [YES]
Leslie Daigle [YES]
Tobias Gondrom [YES]
John Levine [YES]
Andrew Sullivan [YES]
The motion carries.
Action: We need to follow-up with those who were not selected and announce
the new
members.
Regards,
Jordi
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De: "Scott O. Bradner" <sob(_at_)sobco(_dot_)com>
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Fecha: jueves, 17 de noviembre de 2016, 10:42
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Asunto: Re: [IAOC] question to the IAOC: new committee members
Jordi
please take a look at the IAOC minutes for September 8 2016
Scott
On Nov 16, 2016, at 8:24 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
<jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es> wrote:
Of course, I checked all the minutes, before my first posting on this. I
read them once per month or so.
I check them again right now. I see the case for the legal committee, or
others that may have a single volunteer, which is perfectly fine then, but
no details on the others …
Regards,
Jordi
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De: ietf <ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org> en nombre de "Scott O. Bradner"
<sob(_at_)sobco(_dot_)com>
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Fecha: jueves, 17 de noviembre de 2016, 10:19
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Asunto: Re: [IAOC] question to the IAOC: new committee members
speaking for the legal committee, we had one volunteer that many of us
know well - there was
no specific scoring since we knew that the one volunteer would be fine and
he was invited to join the committee.
there was a few minutes discussion on an IAOC call and I assume that the
result was minuted
but do not recall
Scott
On Nov 16, 2016, at 8:11 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
<jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es> wrote:
I understand that and the workload increase, but clearly the way to
accommodate to it, in a transparent way is to increase the number of seats,
which I believe requires a small modification of RFC4071.
I think that “common” as you say is ok, but always with a predefined
procedure, clear for all the community. For example:
1) There is some scoring to appoint people depending on their
capabilities/merits?
2) Where are the detailed minutes of that decision process, so we can
review it?
Regards,
Jordi
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De: ietf <ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org> en nombre de Brian E Carpenter
<brian(_dot_)e(_dot_)carpenter(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com>
Organización: University of Auckland
Responder a: <brian(_dot_)e(_dot_)carpenter(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com>
Fecha: jueves, 17 de noviembre de 2016, 4:26
Para: <jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es>,
<ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>, <iaoc(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Asunto: Re: question to the IAOC: new committee members
Jordi,
It's very common for committees to appoint sub-committees, within their
range of responsibilities, and for sub-committees to coopt experts.
I am not in the least shocked by this; in fact given the expansion of
the IASA's workload over the last 10 years it seems entirely normal
to me. I don't think anything has been hidden, and of course the IAOC
as a whole remains responsible for the work of IASA subcommittees,
according to section 3.2 of RFC4071. Specifically "The IAOC's mission
is not to be engaged in the day-to-day administrative work of the IASA,
but rather to provide appropriate direction, oversight, and approval."
Regards
Brian
On 16/11/2016 23:38, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
All the IETF positions have rules to be selected, nomcom, etc., and there
is a great transparency on the process.
However today we discovered that new members have been selected for IAOC
committees.
What have been the rules/process for that?
One of the questions that have been discussed several times is the lack of
transparency from the IAOC, and clearly here we have a new demonstration
of that.
I hope there is a clear statement from IAOC explaining the process.
If that not happens, what is the process to appeal that decision, so I can
follow it?
We as a community, in my opinion, can’t keep going with this lack of
transparency.
Regards,
Jordi
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