Re: If Muslims are blocked by the U.S., should the IETF respond?

Hello,

   I just want to say something very short: I don´t believe IETF should
take a political position but at the same time I believe that IETF
should express something in this matter (not necessarily is political).

  The worst thing we can do is do not say anything.

  I fully agree with Kathy Brown post and IACR statement.


Thanks,


Alejandro,


El 30/1/17 a las 1:44 p.m., Alia Atlas escribió:
> There is already an ISOC blog.
>
> https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/institutional/2017/01/message-internet-society-president-and-ceo-kathy-brown
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Michael StJohns
> <mstjohns(_at_)comcast(_dot_)net <mailto:mstjohns(_at_)comcast(_dot_)net>> 
> wrote:
>
>     On 1/30/2017 11:53 AM, Melinda Shore wrote:
>
>         On 1/30/17 7:30 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>
>             but sadly, i do not think the ietf has the guts and the
>             vision to even
>             do what an organization such as the iacr, crypto assn
>             which has long
>             experience with real politik etc. has done, [ ... ]
>
>         Over the years it has become clear that being a consensus-oriented
>         organization with a diverse participation makes it impossible for
>         the IETF to make statements like this.  It would need to come
>         from the
>         chair, the IAB chair, or the I*.  (Yes, I think this is a problem)
>
>         Melinda
>
>
>
>
>     To be fair, the IACR, ACM etc are professional organizations; we
>     the IETF are not.  Professional organizations (cf your state bar
>     association, the American Medical Association and the like) are
>     all about standardizing people, not things.  As such, they are
>     more able to come up with a consistent public message.
>
>     To expect us to be able to behave like one of them without a
>     restructuring to become one of them is probably wishful thinking.
>     Becoming one of them would probably be detrimental to our main
>     mission of improving the internet.
>
>     We are associated with two organizations that are, by charter,
>     mostly outward facing: the IAB and the ISOC.  The latter
>     organization is probably the right one to take point on statements
>     of mostly political content related to issues that affect our
>     mission.   I would like to suggest that we (the IAB and IESG and
>     IETF Chair) request the ISOC draft a message along the lines of
>     what the ACM and IACR and others have already written.  This would
>     include such details as the affect on the IETF's meetings and the
>     ISOC's outreach program and would ask them to incorporate
>     suggestions from the IETF community on content (but leaving the
>     wording to ISOC).  I'd also suggest they provide a signature page
>     where IETF community members may endorse the ISOC message.
>
>     I would further suggest that a faster but not perfect note is
>     better than the alternative.
>
>     Mike