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Re: IAB appeal or not - please comment (Re: [spf-discuss] Re: [RFC State] <draft-schlitt-spf-classic-02> has changed state)

2006-01-24 17:06:20
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 "william(at)elan.net" <william(_at_)elan(_dot_)net> writes:

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, wayne wrote:

Now would be a good time to decide whether you want to file an IAB
appeal or not.  There isn't much use in having the RFC editor do stuff
if we are just going to go into another 3-6 month delay.

I think it would be good to hear from the community at large on this
issue now and this can then be used by SPF Council when making a final
decision on it (I personally see council more as being body that decided 
based on community consensus rather then makes decisions based only on 
opinion of its members).

I agree with this view of the SPF Council, that it should try to
distill the rational thoughts of the wider SPF community and bring out
a consensus view.  When voting on the SPF record reuse appeal, my
sense of the wider SPF community is that people wanted it.  I wasn't
strongly against it, but I would have voted against it if it wasn't
for the fact that my 'no' vote would have killed the appeal, hence
contradicting what I thought the SPF community wanted.

In hind sight, I think I should have voted 'no'.  I don't think we
gained much by the appeal, and we have lost a lot of time.


If the vote for the IAB appeal had come up in the current (soon to be
previous) council, I would have argued against it and voted 'no'.  I
just don't think it will be productive.  I don't think the IETF will
want to make "slap" Microsoft like that.


For myself I've decided not to file an appeal on decision regarding 
Resent- fields even though I strongly disagree with IESG that approved 
internet-wide experiments should be allowed to directly contradict 
existing standards.

I agree with this, and I agree that we had strong *technical* reasons
to file the re-use appeal.  I think that the IETF ignoring technical
reasons in favor of political reasons makes the IETF look really bad.
But, there is nothing we can do about that.



Oh.  One more thing.

It might be a good idea to see when the deadline for an IAB appeal
would need to be.  If I recall correctly, the IESG appeals were made
in the last week of the appeal period.  For all I know, the IAB period
may already be over, making the whole discussion moot.   Heck, that
may well be why the IESG block was lifted.


-wayne

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