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Re: [spf-discuss] Re: Better approach to the forwarder problem

2007-01-11 15:53:37
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, Dick St.Peters wrote:

Julian Mehnle writes:
Apart from that, I'd of course agree that any distinction between 
originating and forwarding spam is effectively meaningless.  (Otherwise 
every spammer could just claim to be "forwarding" their spam, and there 
would be no way to disprove them.)

Two real-life (i.e., not hypothetical or made-up) cases where the
distinction is not meaningless:

1. When I am acting as a forwarder, some of my forwarding users ask me
   not to filter out spam before forwarding.

2. When I am acting as the destination for mail forwarded from other
   services, some of my users ask me not to filter out spam that has
   been forwarded.

+1 Informative

It is nasty when my users request forwarding to an AOL account.
I have had to remove countless forwards to luser(_at_)aol(_dot_)com because 
they 

a) opt out of my (highly effective) spam filter
b) report all the spam they get to AOL, causing AOL to block the IP
   of their MTA.

Now no one at their company can send mail to AOL.  (Not that I blame AOL.)
Fortunately, AOLs reputation system decays in a week or so.

When I have asked them to explain this behaviour, they say, "The spam
filter in AOL is easier to use."  Sigh.

My conclusion - forwarders (SRS or not) have to 

a) immediately terminate service for customers who abuse their service like that
b) keep spare IPs so that mail can keep flowing for the remaining customers.
   (I just relay AOL mail through another MTA I control for a few weeks
   after blocking AOL forwards.)

-- 
              Stuart D. Gathman <stuart(_at_)bmsi(_dot_)com>
    Business Management Systems Inc.  Phone: 703 591-0911 Fax: 703 591-6154
"Confutatis maledictis, flammis acribus addictis" - background song for
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