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Re[2]: [spf-discuss] C/R Pros and Cons

2008-10-15 19:46:48
A  properly  designed  C/R system should *not* expect all senders to
respond.  It  should  *not*  increase  the probability of a losing a
legitimate message.

And  that  is  why  this  design  exists  only in your mind, until you
reinvent SMTP.

Your  design  dictates that some permanent non-deliverable messages be
transformed  into "out-of-band action required for delivery" messages.
You  suggest  using  standard  SMTP permanent error codes to implement
this  nuance.  [Never  mind the fact that the final disposition of the
message,  if  indeed  the  message object is stored on an intermediate
server  instead  of  deleted, is closer (if anything) to a new type of
transient error.] Implementing your design would require an end-to-end
revisiting of how major MTAs deal with permanent error codes.

I  don't  mean  to  be  entirely  dismissive. It is always tempting to
brainstorm  "human  intervention" solutions that occur during the SMTP
envelope,  instead  of  creating  post-acceptance  DSNs and inevitably
creating  backscatter.  Yet  you  seem unwilling to see your design as
more  fitting  a new (E)SMTP _extension_, insisting that it is in some
way workable now. That is why it fits with standard kookery.

Why  don't  you  rethink  and propose your idea in terms of a new SMTP
extension  (i.e.,  SMTP  verb/s)?  Your  basic  notion  is to expose a
requeueing  mechanism  to  the  end user using some standard notation.
Most  MTAs,  for  example,  give the admin the ability to "Send now" a
specific   message   object   from   the   retry  queue,  though  this
functionality  is  rarely  exposed  to  the  end  user  due to obvious
security  and stability concerns. Perhaps what you want is to tag some
messages   a   with   a   "source-requested   retry   allowed"  and/or
"source-requested  retry  only"  flag.  (I would advise you to abandon
your  idea  of  the  _remote_  quarantine;  that leaps over a security
barrier  that  doesn't make this feasible as a proposed extension, and
it  also  means  that all messages will be accepted in entirety by the
remote  server,  which  is  a tremendous waste of bandwidth.) Messages
with  such  flags  will  be  kept  in the queue for the standard queue
lifecycle,  but  your  extension will instruct that a context-specific
DSN  be  sent to the end user when both sides support the extension. A
receiver-supplied   challenge   based   on  transaction  ID  would  be
presented.  (URL  to a CAPTCHA, whatever). The response would be added
to  the message envelope and transmitted along with the message object
upon the subsequent retry.

By  proposing  a  new  SMTP  extension,  you  would  lessen  skeptical
responses based on real-world experience. An SMTP extension would need
to be announced and supported on both sides in order to work, allowing
more graceful degradation based on mutual understanding of both sides'
capabilities.  A  receiver  would  decide  whether  to  accept mail in
sessions  during  which extension support was not announced (as public
MXs  implicitly  decide  to  accept  mail  from  senders  who  did not
authenticate,  MIME  bitness is negotiated, PIPELINING is agreed upon,
etc.).  A  mandatory  spam weight could be given to messages submitted
without extension support, or they would be rejected. And so on.

The  message is going to the quarantine anyway. A response will move
it  from  the  quarantine  to  the inbox. No response just leaves it
where it is.

It will "just" be in the quarantine, which at its *most* user-friendly
is  linked  in  real-time  to the user's Junk Mail folder. And we know
that  JM  folders  are practical peers to people's Inboxes and sorting
rules  -- there is no devaluation of JM folders, right? Well, no. This
fails  to  persuade or distract from the essentially imaginary quality
of the design.

--Sandy


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Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
e-mail: sandy(_at_)cypressintegrated(_dot_)com
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