Re: Understanding response protocols
2004-09-09 13:39:33
In trying to project the seemingly unlimited set of possible reply
semantics onto the visibly limited set of concepts that are
comprehensible to the typical user, I keep coming back to the notion
that there are really only 3 cases that are, at a first approximation,
comprehensible to most mortals:
-- Reply to the user who sent the message.
-- Reply to the "discussion community" of the message (see below)
-- Reply highly idiosyncratically (i.e. let the user self-edit the
headers)
That is, I'm hypothesizing (fairly confidently) that the vast majority
of users won't be willing or able to differentiate beyond these three
cases (and most won't even use the third).
If we eliminate the option of giving users way more options than they
can handle, most of the complexity of this debate is then encapsulated
as a debate over the definition of what I above call the "discussion
community" of a message. I think there is a natural -- though
grotesquely oversimplified -- tendency for users to assume that each
message "naturally" defines such a community. Though I think that the
definition is neither natural nor simple, particularly given the
baroqueness of our email protocols, I think it is our job as designers
of protocols and systems to try, as best we can, to devise a consensus
definition of such a community.
To put it another way, I think we should take it as a user-level
requirement, for most users, that there can be a limited number of
types of "reply" command, and that one of those few types should be one
that does the best job possible of matching naive user expectations
about the behavior of a simply named "reply to all" function (which is
isomorphic to my notion of a "discussion community").
This is something that we worked very hard on in Andrew during the
1980's. Although the protocols have only become more complex since
then, at that time we found that it was possible to devise an algorithm
that did an extremely satisfactory job at what we then called "Wide
Replies" using only a single non-standard extension to the email
protocols. The non-standard header we used was
X-Andrew-Wide-Reply: <addrlist>
The idea here was to permit the originating MUA (or an intermediate
agent rewriting a message's headers, such as a list server) to use
knowledge available at composition time to "override" the standard
algorithm for calculating what "Reply to All" meant. This fallback
meant that even if our usual algorithm didn't work for a few cases,
those cases were generally avoidable by having the originating software
explicitly specify the wide-reply address. (This eliminated, for
example, the annoyingly common case of getting two copies of a message
when someone replies to your mailing list post. It also facilitated
news-to-mail gatewaying by providing an email equivalent to
"Followup-To".)
We never pushed this idea in the broader email community, but I still
think that standardizing something like a "Wide-Reply-To" header, in
order to gain some control on the sending side over the various
algorithms that might define wide-reply semantics on the receiving
side, would be a more constructive solution than a proliferation of
user-level reply commands. I just don't believe that users are going
to be able to handle significantly more than a binary distinction
(between "reply" and "reply to all"), and therefore I'd rather devote
our efforts to making that paradigm work better, rather than towards a
proliferation of incomprehensible options.
How would people feel about a strategy of clarifying a "default"
algorithm for followup mail, and standardizing a "Wide-Reply-To"
override? -- Nathaniel
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