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RE: [Asrg] Opt-Out Notes: too complicated, ignoring history

2003-03-28 11:47:15
Slight difference to the wording.

It should be clear what the person if opting out from. We don't have to
define spam, just the solicitations that they are opting out from.

                Phill

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric D. Williams [mailto:eric(_at_)infobro(_dot_)com]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:43 PM
To: 'Brad Templeton'; John R Levine
Cc: william(_at_)elan(_dot_)net; asrg(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: RE: [Asrg] Opt-Out Notes: too complicated, ignoring history


Brad,

You make a good point for an additional requirement:

Requirement 7)  The proposal SHOULD describe a working definition of 
Unsolicited, Solicited, Bulk and other terms used to describe 
messaging 
commonly referred to as SPAM.

Eric

On Friday, March 28, 2003 3:33 AM, Brad Templeton 
[SMTP:brad(_at_)templetons(_dot_)com] 
wrote:
...

On the nearly-technical side, I am also concerned about how 
much success
there will be in defining the terms.  Some what Solicited 
to be implied on a 
pre-
existing relationship (possibly with a "respect unsubscribe 
requests" rule) 
and others
want solicited to mean explicit subscription.  I would hope 
they can be
reconciled.  And there are arguments on bulk in either case 
and where the
cutoff should be, though in truth all low cutoffs are 
probably enough to
solve the spam problem -- if they were obeyed.   Alas, I 
have poor faith on 
any
of this being obeyed.   As you know, a significant fraction 
of the spam
sent today is already illegal under non-spam laws --- 
fraud, illegal medical
sales and all the rest -- so I see little hope in those 
spammers obeying
the No-UBE sign we might hope to put up on our mailbox.


Back to the technical, I would still recommend that any 
protocol defined
in this matter allow individual choice.  Thus an ability to 
express desires
after a RCPT command, in addition to at the banner, with a 
requirement that
new mail tools SHOULD support this while older ones may 
only support the
banner.
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