In <p06000d05bab652399315(_at_)[192(_dot_)168(_dot_)1(_dot_)104]> Kee Hinckley
<nazgul(_at_)somewhere(_dot_)com> writes:
At 3:30 PM -0500 4/6/03, wayne wrote:
However, I think it would be a bit better if a very few high volume
posters
Sure, everyone can just run right out and patch the binary.
Of course, "a very few" != "everyone". Also, depending on the system
being used, this may be a configuration option. I don't know enough
about Phillip's situation to know.
All the commercial mail products
seem to find it better to thread by subject--certainly it makes more
sense to do so in this forum, where the conversations go on forever
(it seems), but the topic constantly changes.
Well, the MUA that I use can and does thread by subject when there
isn't a In-Reply-To: or References: header. Heck, it will also use
the timestamps to help out. It still isn't as good because messages
do not come in with a perfect order.
In what way do you think the threading can be done better by subject?
But back the subject. Would whitelisting by plain message-id really
work? Certainly seems less intrusive than most systems. I'm not sure
what you'd want to do with web archives of conversations though. On
the one hand, you'd like people to be able to respond. On the other,
you don't want to feed message-ids to spammers. Probably you'd
recommend stripping them.
I don't believe in absolute blacklisting or whitelisting. I really
like the SpamAssassin approach of combining many different
indicators. For my use, I would want the bonus for having a
message-id to decay pretty quickly with time. Someone who replied to
a message of mine that they saw in an archive from last year would not
be given any bonus by me.
Would you see it as a preliminary way of doing an email address
whitelist, to just bypass the need for an initial check--and
subsequent new messages from the person would go through as well?
SpamAssassin's auto-whitelists/blacklists work by using spam scores
from previous emails that I have received from you to influence the
spam score of your current message to me. The initial bonus by having
a valid in-reply-to message-id from me would always be a factor, but
the influence would decrease as I get more information about the kinds
of email that you send to me. If SpamAssassin guesses wrote with it's
auto-whitelist/blacklist, I can easily add a manual
whitelist/blacklist entry, but I rarely have to do that.
And do most MUAs generate their own Message-IDs?
To the best of my knowledge, the MUAs are supposed to add the
message-id, but MTAs can add missing ones. The latter, however, is a
pretty good sign of spam.
-wayne
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