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Re: [Asrg] Legal Suggestions ....

2003-04-15 02:57:55
waltdnes(_at_)waltdnes(_dot_)org wrote:

All I ask for is...

lots more than any other industry gets!

 a) the government recognize that "the internet" is a network of private
    networks that are the private property of their respective owners,
    who excercise full control over them.  I.e. they are *NOT* "common
    carriers".  They have no obligation to accept any data packets,
    other than those obligations spelled out in contracts, i.e. peering
    agreements or contracts with customers or other signed contracts.
    Therefore no legislation or regulations be enacted which would force
    any data packets, including email, to be accepted against the wishes
    of ISPs and their paying customers.

The telephone network is also a collection of private networks and switches. It comprises a number of different companies, each with different business philosophies and rules. Fortunately, government requires them to interconnect and carry each other's traffic. Without this level of regulation, it would be chaos. (I've been places where it was that way!) Of course, this level of regulation is only really applicable to technologies that are vital to commerce.

Even telephone companies don't have to carry all traffic. They can disconnect customers and refuse to handle traffiic for a variety of reasons. But they can only do that to their own customers, not others'. Blocklists work just the other way around. The ISPs don't have to be responsible for its own customers. They need only worry about blocking traffic from their competitors.

Now, if telcos could block each others' traffic, it would certainly solve the problem of having too many of them to choose from...

 b) that ISP's and blocklist maintainers be held harmless for
    good-faith efforts to block/reduce unwanted email.  This includes
    deliberate boycotts of non-spamming address space of bandwidth
    providers who host spammers in other parts of their address space.
    And *YES*, this does include the old customer-of-a-customer-of-a
    customer finger-pointing scenario.

This provision would free ISPs from any liability, even if due to gross neglegence. Why should ISPs, in particular, receive this special dispensation in law that no other business or industry receives?

 c) the fact that refusal of data traffic, other than that required by
    contract, deprives someone of revenue shall *NOT* constitute cause
    for civil or criminal court actions or other government sanctions
    against any person (corporate or human being) that...
    1) maintains and/or publishes a blocking list (DNSbl)
    2) operates a mailserver that receives email from the internet, and
       chooses to reject email traffic that they are not obligated by
       contract to accept.

Once again, you have carved out a monsterous exemption for ISPs that other businesses don't get. Under this, ISP A could, without criminal or civil penalty, refuse to accept any traffic from ISP B even if the only reason for doing so is to put ISP B out of business so as to gain control of a market. Wow!
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ISPs are unregulated public utilities. They need to conduct themselves that way if they want to stay that way. They don't need or deserve special treatment such as what you propose.

If ISPs really want a solution to the problem of Spam, they should stop being part of the problem. They should form a transparent trade group and agree a code of conduct. A properly constructed code of conduct would by itself result in substantial spam reduction as ISPs wishing to retain customers will drop their seamy but profitable side businesses.

If the ISPs *then* want to implement some sort of blocklist, a buyer will at least have some idea of what ISP to use so as to ensure hir mail will get through. Without a code of conduct, smaller honest ISPs will be at a serious disadvantage. Users will hear about Aunt Martha being blocked and run to the safety of the big ISPs. The others will not survive.

When ISPs do implement their spam solutions, I certainly hope they (and IRTF?) can find something finer than a chainsaw to solve the problem. As public utilities, they owe it to their subscribers to provide a competently engineered and interoperable solution - one that emphasizes getting the mail through rather than blocking it.


 -LM

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