At 13:17 -0400 5/1/03, Ken Hirsch wrote:
From: "Jim Youll" <jim(_at_)media(_dot_)mit(_dot_)edu>
At 4:22 -0400 5/1/03, Ken Hirsch wrote:
>I don't understand this objection. You can send to the ISP's SMTP
>server at the
>same speed as you send to another SMTP server.
Not exactly. My laptop can send mail to the in-house server at 10 to
100mbps. I close the lid and leave. The in-house server can batch the
mail out in 30 minutes, at 128Kbps over ISDN to the destination.
there's no benefit to adding another hop for the mail in the middle
of all this.
And there's no disadvantage, either, as far as I can tell.
JC Lawrence has identified two problems, the most fundamental for me as
well, being an added and unnecessary reliance on someone else's machine
of unknown capacity, that's subject to unknown external forces...
> Here we disagree. I think the trend is toward more of all kinds of
servers, not less. Teasing out e-mail may solve one problem, or if
the solution is not well liked, will just push users (and the same
problems) onto other technologies. Already people are starting to
have home media servers. Why would you NOT put e-mail in there too?
You can put your server there, no problem. The only difference is that it
would send outgoing mail through the ISP's server instead of independently
routing to each recipient's SMTP server. There would be no visible
difference to users.
Well I guess I just don't like your idea, then. It just seems too
arbitrary and specific to a particular protocol working in a particular
(common but NOT universal) way. Nothing else works that way, and this
teaches us nothing about spam-to-IM, spam-to-phones, etc that are all
messaging-based problems, or the new problems created when a third party
is imposed where it isn't needed... legal problems, performance problems,
support issues...
I believe the correct outcomes of this group's work should not be about
how to use SMTP, but how to use technology to create solutions to spam
that _generalize_ to messaging.
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