Re: [Asrg] 3. Requirements - Non Spam must go through

I know..that is why I never return it. I just put it in my Junk folder 
and delete. Please re-read my email.
Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote:

> How can you return mail to the "sender" when you don't know who that is?
>
> I get tens of false bounces of mails I never sent every day. Most of the
> time it is a virus that has hijacked my address, sometimes it is spam.
>
>  
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: C. Wegrzyn [mailto:wegrzyn(_at_)garbagedump(_dot_)com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 7:52 AM
> > To: Kurt Magnusson
> > Cc: asrg(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
> > Subject: Re: [Asrg] 3. Requirements - Non Spam must go through
> >
> >
> > I keep seeing the statement being made that spam should be 
> > returned to 
> > the sender. I might suggest something slightly different: why 
> > not have 
> > it delivered and marked as SPAM in the Subject line? In this way at 
> > least I can check to see if it really is spam? I'm afraid 
> > that if it is 
> > returned and we have false positives some mail might be 
> > returned that I 
> > do want to see.
> > Chuck Wegrzyn
> >
> >
> > Kurt Magnusson wrote:
> >
> >    
> >
> > > Elric Pedder wrote:
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > > > > Behalf Of Yakov Shafranovich
> > > > > Just ran across this quote from the John Gilmore of the EFF
> > > > > (http://www.politechbot.com/p-04927.html):
> > > > > ----snip----
> > > > > "Any measure for stopping spam must ensure that all non-spam
> > > > > messages reach
> > > > > their intended recipients."
> > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps none of us has yet come up with a silver bullet 
> > > > >          
> > to solve the
> >    
> >
> > > > > problem of spam -- but it IS within our power to solve 
> > > > >          
> > the problem of
> >    
> >
> > > > > overzealous anti-spam measures.
> > > > > ----snip----
> > > > >          
> > > > I don't believe you can stop false positives -- if only because
> > > > people will have widely varying opinions on what SPAM (to them)
> > > > is.  It is, however, very dangerous to allow false positives
> > > > because if anything the perceived "reliability" of the Internet
> > > > becomes compromised.
> > > >
> > > > I would recommend
> > > >
> > > > "Any measure for stopping spam must ensure that all messages
> > > > either reach the intended recipient, or are returned to the
> > > > sender, or the sender notified."
> > > >        
> > > Elric
> > >
> > > I do agree with you regarding the last, we should return 
> > >      
> > undeliverables,
> >    
> >
> > > but I do not agree that we need to live with false 
> > >      
> > positives. Some months
> >    
> >
> > > back I refered to a method I called the Earnest method, because it 
> > > uses the
> > > URL's and phone nos the spammers want us to use. I've run 
> > >      
> > it with a proof
> >    
> >
> > > of concept solution since early april and have, since I cleaned out 
> > > some headers
> > > addresses I collected when I consentrated on sender ID, in 
> > >      
> > mid-may not 
> >    
> >
> > > have
> > > had any false positives. It do occational allow new domains, but as 
> > > long I am
> > > sure non-spams get through and I can handle the new ones 
> > >      
> > simply, it isn't
> >    
> >
> > > a problem.
> > >
> > > But if you to guess what is spam, based on patterns in a 
> > >      
> > letter the issue
> >    
> >
> > > is important, but if we can eliminate that guess, working 
> > >      
> > with what the
> >    
> >
> > > spammers want us do, contact them, then we lessen the risks 
> > >      
> > of filtering
> >    
> >
> > > away Aunti Agathas messages. If people do send a URL with a spammer
> > > domain, pity, or we learn them to write them, so they passthrough. I
> > > have no problem with getting a non-active URL from my dear aunt,
> > > because I know why I need to copy and paste it. But spam with non-
> > > active URL's will not generate the requred traffic to the 
> > >      
> > advertiser. It
> >    
> >
> > > is to complicated.
> > >
> > > Kurt Magnusson
> > >
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