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Re: [Asrg] 1. Inventory of Problems - Input Needed

2003-11-10 21:24:26
Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote:


AD wrote:

 I believe that social issues (like lying about opt-in) should be
outside of the scope of this group.

Right.



Lying about opt-in is not a social issue, the inability to detect lying is a
protocol defect which is easy to cure.

All that is required is for the mailing list to obtain an authentication
code value from the user during the opt-in process. This value can then be
returned in each message sent, proving that the recipient did opt in and
that the message concerned should therefore be whitelisted.


So this would be kind of like C/R except for the consent token would be returned together with each list message. Can the CRI proposal be adjusted for this perhaps?

I can circulate the draft again if people are interested in finding
solutions.


Please, we would love to see it.

We are dealling with a criminal deterence/criminal prosecution problem here.
All problems will appear to be 'social' because that is what spam is, a
social problem manifest in technology.

What should be outside the scope of the group is purely social solutions,
but even there I am skeptical as there being a genuine exception. The
lawyers seem to be being quite effective in reducing the rate of growth of
spam, so why not consider technology to help the lawyers do their work?

I would have to agree with Phillip that the social aspects of the spam problem cannot be ignored. While we are considering mainly technical solutions, nevertheless social, economic, legal, etc. issues come into play as well, and many times will affect technical issues. Therefore, it would be hard to say that we should not consider social issues at all, rather as in Phillip's example we should look at social issues and see how they can fit with the technical issues.

Yakov


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