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Re: [Asrg] Comments on draft-church-dnsbl-harmful-01.txt

2006-03-29 05:52:05


May I add the following:


While the author does a good job of listing the negative aspects of certain domain name based blacklists, he omits the advantages relative to other spam suppression techniques. A balanced discussion would consider both advantages and disadvantages.

The first advantage of DNBLs I want to mention is a private benefit for the mail transfer operator, his users, and their corespondents.

The typical mailserver using DNSBLs for spam suppression REJECTS suspected bad mail, while a typical content based scanner DISCARDS suspected spam, or leaves it in a spam folder. In the case of a false positive This is a significant advantage to the DNSBL, because the actual sender will get a notice of refusal from the DNSBL based refusal, but no notice at all of the discard from the content based system. A user or MTA operator might place much greater weight on lost mail than rejected mail, as lost mail may be the source of ill feeling or financial loss, while rejected mail is merely an inconvenience.

Notice that a content scanner can't reasonably return DSNs for discarded mail, since the majority of such mail will come from forged addresses, but the DNSBL rejection occurs during the SMTP control phase, and is returned to the sender by the originating MTA, if the mail is legitimate.

The second advantage for the DNSBL I want to mention is the public benefit to all email users when MTA operators administer their sites to discourage the output of spam from their shared MTAs. In the present legal environment, the existence of DNSBLs is the primary motivation for such efforts. Without DNSBLs, many large ISPs and hosting companies would lose interest completely in suppressing spam spewage from their MTAs and IP addresses. With the resulting increase is spam messages, content analysis would become increasing difficult.

Without consideration of the advantages of the DNSBL, or the disadvantages of content scanning the author has come to a foregone conclusion. An IETF document deprecating a superior solution is unfortunate.

I am aware that some content based scanners are able to reject mail, and
that some MTAs using DNSBLs discard mail, but both situations are unusual,
and the former is technically difficult. In any case, placing suspected
spam in a spam folder seems like more of a way to avoid legal liability
than to improve the user experience.

I am aware that some MTA operators are frustrated by their inability to
get off certain DNSBLs, and I do not have a cost free solution. I have
referred such operators in the past to my page at

http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/smarthost.html

which suggests that they obtain mail relay service from an operator of an unlisted MTA and provides some sources. Most complainants are operating MTAs on dynamic addresses. It would perhaps make more sense for the IETF to deprecate that practice than to deprecate the DNSBL.

Lastly, the draft refers to no quantitative evidence that DNSBLs are more likely to reject valid mail than content scanners. This is not my experience with Google Mail, or Spamassassin. Perhaps other scanners would be more effective, but by the same token, there is variation among DNSBLs too.

Perhaps the IETF could publish a "Best Practices" for DNSBL operators instead of deprecating them.

Thank you for this opportunity to comment.


Daniel Feenberg
IT Director
National Bureau of Economic Research
Cambridge MA, USA



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