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Re: [Asrg] Email Postage (was Re: FeedBack loops)

2008-11-13 17:35:44
And in which universe is this type of rhetoric an effective means of attracting 
support?
 
The IETF is not an ideological political movement, nor is it a religious cult. 
The talk radio approach is not so effective here.
 
My postal mail is 90% junk and the rest almost invariably shows evidence of an 
attempt by a postal worker to open it, presumably in the hope of finding 
something worth stealing. I don't think the postal system will be around for 
very long.
 
In practice the 'telephone system' is being dismantled as we speak. Most of the 
actual data transport is VOIP these days. I have three lines into the house, 
all VOIP. Over the next few decades the 'telephone system' will continue to 
reduce in size and scope until all that is left is the SS7 system as a 
vestigial appendix on the Internet.
 

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From: asrg-bounces(_at_)irtf(_dot_)org on behalf of Barry Shein
Sent: Thu 11/13/2008 5:17 PM
To: Anti-Spam Research Group - IRTF
Subject: Re: [Asrg] Email Postage (was Re: FeedBack loops)




On November 13, 2008 at 16:41 sethb(_at_)panix(_dot_)com (Seth) wrote:
Barry Shein <bzs(_at_)world(_dot_)std(_dot_)com> wrote:

So if I limited you to 1 million messages per day (for free, after
that you pay) perhaps you could operate as you do now but the spammers
would be out of business.

Or maybe 1,000 msgs/day, etc.

How do you know who "I" am?

Limit a spammer to 1000 messages/day, and he'll just steal 1 million
"identities" and send his billion spams.  He does it through tens of
millions of hijacked zombies now, anyway.

So, tell me _how_ you plan to limit everybody to 1,000 (free) messages
per day.

The tone of hopelessness and despair is noted.

The plan is to create an economy around bulk commercial messaging, all
bulk commercial messaging.

Then we won't have to rely on free volunteers stealing a few minutes
here and there at work to solve this complex, global problem by
repeating the same tired, defeatist remarks over and over thinking
they've added something.

Perhaps as an exercise we should take a month, stop all spam-related
topics, and discuss how the global postal system or telephone system
should work. Because it seems to me that there is little ability here
to even converge on existing realities, let alone propose new
regimens.

By that I mean people here regularly "stand up" and disprove to a
great degree of certainty that, e.g., cell phone systems (as they
exist) cannot possibly be made to work, postage sytems, telephone
systems in general, etc. etc. and in their mind declare the matter
thus closed.

It's really rather remarkable, like watching a bunch of self-declared
physicists prove beyond a reasonable doubt (to themselves) that
bumblebees cannot possibly fly* simply because the conclusion
satisfies the constraints they wish to impose on the result.

Of course here the process is transparently simple: No email charges
may exist, always work backwards from that desired conclusion.


* 
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1076/is-it-aerodynamically-impossible-for-bumHmm,
 blebees-to-fly


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