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Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: ISSUE 1525 -- Restriction to posting by first Author breaks email semantics

2008-01-16 20:05:34

On Jan 16, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Jim Fenton wrote:

Arvel Hathcock wrote:
The debate here is whether or not it's mission-critical for SSP to use From: in all cases or whether some other sender identity (like Sender: header) could be used to equal effect generally or in specific cases (like when there are multiple addresses in From).

Given that it would solve the problem described in 1525 and also bring us closer to a consensus position perhaps this thread should discuss what is lost through utilization of the Sender header in at least some cases.

Good idea, Arvel.

Suppose that an attacker wanted to spoof a message from the domain statements.bigbank.com, a domain having a Strict Sender Signing Practice that is used for transactional email. Attacker sends the following message:

Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:49:44 -0600
From: BigBank Statements <statements(_at_)statements(_dot_)bigbank(_dot_)com>, BigBank Security <security(_at_)statements(_dot_)bigbank(_dot_)com>
To: John Doe <jdoe(_at_)(_dot_)(_dot_)(_dot_)>
Subject: Account alert
Sender: bot(_at_)example(_dot_)com


As currently composed, this message would not be SSP compliant because the SSP retrieved would be that of statements.bigbank.com (Strict) and the attacker would not have the ability to create a valid signature for that domain.

Now suppose that the Sender header field is used for the SSP lookup. Since example.com doesn't have an SSP record, it would be Unknown and this spoofed message would be SSP compliant. Depending on the MUA being used, the recipient of the message is likely not to notice that there is a Sender: header field at all.

As SSP is currently defined, the signature must be on-behalf-of the "first author"! This should change to indicate that the "first author" domain establishes SSP and that compliance with SSP "strict" or "all" only requires a signature be by the "first author" domain. Compliance should not require a signature be on-behalf-of the "first author" via the i= parameter. This is a mistake SSP is currently making.

Correcting this mistake would permit the "first author" domain to sign just the Sender header or even no header at all! The MUA might display the From header, but because the "first author" domain had signed the message, the message MUST BE compliant with the "first author" domain's signing policies!!!!

One must assume the "first author" domain will control access to their outbound servers. After all, the "first author" domain is who signs the message, and not the "first author" as you seem to suggest. This might be true only with restricted keys.

It has been argued that, since this working group (and perhaps all of IETF) doesn't have expertise in UI design, the MUA should not be considered at all. While I agree that IETF probably shouldn't be designing user interfaces, I believe that it is entirely reasonable for us to make design decisions based on observation of the way that existing user interfaces do behave. Not to do so results in protocols that are irrelevant because they don't solve real world problems.

Yes, but you are adding a condition requiring signatures be on-behalf- of the "first author" even when they are not!. While MUAs might be able to indicate a message has a valid/compliant DKIM signature, this information only conveys the message was introduced by the signing domain. A message signed by DKIM says _nothing_ about the identity of the author. The MUA might wish to highlight which entity the signature was on-behalf-of, but this gets rather complex when there are more than one signature involved. The DKIM charter makes it clear this protocol is _not_ to identify the author. DKIM is to _only_ identify the domain. Identifying the domain is plenty.

Instruct recipients to check the domain of the "first author" to know which domain established compliance. Perhaps the compliant on-behalf- of header should be highlighted as well. Happy?

Your approach will cause valid messages signed on-behalf-of the Sender header to be rejected or require falsification of the on-behalf-of information. Your approach requires something to be lost!

-Doug

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