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Re: [ietf-dkim] draft-vesely-dkim-joint-sigs

2010-09-19 01:42:47
Alessandro Vesely wrote:

I wonder why the idea of binding messages' signatures to their 
destination domains hasn't been considered before.  As Ian pointed 
out, this would limit replay attacks to a single destination domain.

One suggestion a few years back when I was doing DSAP was a "target" 
expectation scenario that might play a role under a SSRA (Special 
Signer/Receiver Arrangement) where the DKIM signer has a way to 
confirm the target address receiver is DKIM ready.

Related, I am considering of add subscriber page information regarding 
ADSP and DKIM. But without a doubt, with the next 24 hours or so, our 
List Server will be ADSP ready and will preempt any subscriber with a 
ADSP domain at the subscriber page and during a submission to the 
list.  It will explore an ADSP extension tag called ASL "Allowable 
Signer List" with the verifier already supports.  For example, for the 
ISDG.NET the ADSP record is:

       dkim=all; asl=googlegroups.com,mipassoc.org;

A different, though possibly related, idea is to use sequence numbers 
of some sort.  For example, coupled with monotonically increasing 
"Message-Id"s, signatures can identify message streams consistently. 
This would require stateful verifications, though.

I seem to recall a small discussion regarding recording the b= hash or 
the entire DKIM-Signature for tracking/tracking and/or for dupe 
checking.  But many already do this with message-id and if you binding 
the message-id, then that serves the same purpose.

Honestly, all is these ideas are great - but it means nothing is we 
don't have a consistent following in verifiers - just imagine we don't 
have a sender policy that says "all mail is signed by anyone."  This 
would raise the bar to eliminate legacy domain spoofers/phishers that 
don't sign or are totally ignorant of DKIM.

Once a signature is valid, 1st or 3rd party, we always ends up back to 
a reputation or trust layer.

But we need to deal with the faults first.

-- 
Hector Santos, CTO
http://www.santronics.com
http://santronics.blogspot.com



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