On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote:
The rest of your suggestions seem reasonable too, particularly if we
can find a sugar daddy to pay for the conference bridge.
We just get a different company to sponsor each week. We do this
for the OASIS conferences, its no problem.
OASIS is about companies taking primarily role and directly participating
in standard development. IETF is about individuals taking primary role.
I'm against telephone conferences, this is likely to alianate non-US
and non-english participants and is not the way IETF works as it does
not really use internet.
The IETF has not been working. The singles biggest point of difference
is the lack of con calls.
See above about "single single biggest point of difference" between IETF
and OASIS.
We never had a problem with them at W3C and the groups were far more
international than any IETF groups I have worked with.
Different setting, please don't make direct comparison and also please
remember THIS IS IETF WG group and NOT OASIS WG group so we must work
by IETF rules (no matter if you like those or not).
The jabber sessions failled, they amplified differences. The
point of the telephone confereces is that people are less likely
to make personal flames on the list if they speak to them regularly.
I've not seen any personal flames on jabber sessions at MARID.
Jabber is worse than email as a collaboration medium.
It is not worse or better, they are different communication types
one for instant communication and other one for longer, delayed
communication. This is like comparing snail mail to phone calls
and each one has its own uses and will continue to exist.
And as IETF is about using internet for communication, our choices when
we want instant communication or conference is to use instant messaging
protocol or a chat protocol - i.e. Jabber or IRC.
Are we going to copy the MARID approach that failed or are we
going to apply an approach that regularly succeeds?
Somehow I doubt anybody thinks that MARID failed because we had bi-weekly
jabber sessions. If anything those were one of the bright spots at MARID.
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William Leibzon
Elan Networks
william(_at_)elan(_dot_)net