On Oct 14, 2004, at 8:26 AM, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote:
The IETF has not been working. The singles biggest point of difference is the lack of con calls.
Predictions about the demise of the IETF are almost as old as the predictions about the demise of the Internet.
Instead of telephone conferences we can do regular jabber sessions which is typical way its done at IETF WGs.
If somebody is willing to host a conference call, I see no reason why it shouldn't be tried at least to see if it a valuable means to conduct business. If they turn out to be problem, so be it.
The jabber sessions failled, they amplified differences. The point of the telephone confereces is that people are less likely to make personal flames on the list if they speak to them regularly.
This is totally untrue. The Jabber sessions worked well. We never once had a flame war and for the most part participants got a lot done. If there is one thing that was wrong with the Jabber sessions, it is that they were too short. Many people wanted to stay around and work for much longer than 1 hour.
Are we going to copy the MARID approach that failed or are we going to apply an approach that regularly succeeds?
I'm advocate of not repeating the mistakes of MARID. And so far, I'm convinced this group is on that same rough path: not giving itself enough time and attempting to sweep major functional disagreements under the rug. The difference between MASS and MARID is that this time around we have the benefit of knowing where the ratholes are to be found.
-andy
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