Thanks for narrowing the discussion down to some potential facts.
Your item 1) is hypothetical in terms of showing disruption. You
have not identified any instance of disruption, so I will ignore it
till someone shows some indication of disruption caused by the mere
existence of non-conflicting TLDs outside the reach of ICANNic
blessing.
We need to note the fact of the collision around .BIZ, and we are
ready to discuss ways to resolve it any time ICANN (or its .BIZ
Franchisee) wishes to engage in serious discussions. By our
reckoning, .BIZ was created by legitimate IANA actions, and is at
least as legitimate now as .WEB, and deserves better treatment than
it has received. But, please take note that ORSC has no control of
the .BIZ registry (aside from the decision to include it in the ORSC
root). Any resolution has to be between the two registry operators
(or their agents). They are the parties with vested interests at
stake.
Now for your item 2).
Should small market segments should be destroyed, just because they are small?
What will be gained? What will be lost? Where would the Internet be
if this argument had been made in 1973 (it was), or '75, or '80, or
'87?
The ORSC supporters are obviously not in the game to make great
fortunes, like some TLD registries you might mention. And our ORSC
participants are not getting rich supporting ORSC. Admittedly it is
not a profitable business.
Fortunately we have no stockholders;-)...
ARPAnet was also not profitable. Neither was USENET?
Is NETNEWS profitable now? Does it matter? What is the problem?
I have been asking our detractors for some evidence of actual
disruption being caused by the existence of ORSC TLDs, which
disruption might be eliminated by elimination of the ORSC TLD's
existence.
I still have not seen one that stands up under review. Cheers...\Stef
At 5:22 PM -0400 8/6/02, Valdis(_dot_)Kletnieks(_at_)vt(_dot_)edu wrote:
On Tue, 06 Aug 2002 01:33:48 PDT, Einar Stefferud said:
> Please cite a real case of success at our supposed motive of disruption.
OK. You can count this one of two ways:
1) One "real case" for each TLD that ORSC has deployed that ICANN hasn't
(include .BIZ in there).
2) Zero - but in that case, you have to acknowledge that ORSC is an ignorable
player that doesn't actually matter to anybody.
You can't have it both ways - if ORSC is used enough that it matters, then
by definition every use of a TLD that isn't in ICANN's root is disruptive.
The only way that can be NOT disruptive is if ORSC isn't used....
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Valdis Kletnieks
Computer Systems Senior Engineer
Virginia Tech
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