At 9:36 AM -0600 10/25/04, Vernon Schryver wrote:
That misses what I tried to say as well as the objections that have
been raised. All of the various state sunshine laws have exceptions
for personnell, legal, and other matters that truly must be discussed
in private.
Right. The point of a "sunshine law" is not that there should be no
exceptions. There is a good description of the Missouri Sunshine Law
at:
http://www.ago.state.mo.us/sunshinelaw/sunshinelaw.htm
This law captures the fact that government meetings and decisions
should be as open as possible, while making reasonable provision for
exceptions. I'm not from Missouri, so I have no experience with how
this law has played out in practice.
The point is that openness should be the default case and privacy
should be the _exception_. Yes, exceptions should be granted for
discussions that truly need to be private, but those exceptions
should have to be justified. Today, the default is that most of our
leadership communications are private and a specific decision needs
to be made by the leadership to make any substantive discussions
public.
BTW, I am not trying to imply that there are any deep, dark secrets
here. I honestly don't think that anyone would be shocked by what
the IESG discusses (at least in my presence ;-)) and I don't think
that anyone in our leadership is intentionally (or unintentionally)
working against the best interests of the IETF. The presumed privacy
of IETF leadership discussions, etc. is quite typical of corporate
environments and no more evil or badly motivated than the behaviour
of a well-run executive team. I am just arguing that it would be
more appropriate to hold ourselves to the standards of good
government, rather than to the standards of good corporate management.
I don't care about bureaucratic organizing and almost certainly would
not read published minutes of whatever.
As I think you know, the value of a public record is not proportional
to the number of people who read it. The value lies in the fact that
people _can_ read it, if and when they find that necessary.
Margaret
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