RE: Voting (again)

Nomcon can use any mechanism they like to select candidates, it makes no
difference.

Nomcon is not accountable to anyone by design, its decisions are not
binding on anyone as a result.

To have authority you have to accept accountability.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org 
> [mailto:ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On 
> Behalf Of Lakshminath Dondeti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 3:00 PM
> To: Joe Touch
> Cc: Dave Crocker; ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
> Subject: Re: Voting (again)
>
>
> Nomcom does use voting.  Please see RFC 3777.
>
> I am a member of the current Nomcom, and we tried consensus first and 
> then used voting to reach our decisions.  (I even learnt how 
> Condorcet 
> voting works :-)).
>
> best,
> Lakshminath
>
> Joe Touch wrote:
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> > Dave Crocker wrote:
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> > > > When the IETF pays for the 60% (80%, 100%, take your pick) 
> of an AD's 
> > > > salary, they can elect ADs.
> > > >      
> > > Funding of candidates isn't the issue.
> > >    
> > I disagree; short of funding candidates or reducing the 
> workload (the 
> > latter, IMO, would be more appropriate), the list of willing 
> candidates 
> > is a significant part of the problem.
> >
> > ...
> >  
> >
> > > The problem with voting is that the IETF does not have a membership 
> > > list, so
> > > there is no real basis for running a "vote". The nomcom 
> process is intended as 
> > > a surrogate, randomly selecting motivated "representatives".
> > >    
> > That is a kind of a voting process. First, you have to have 
> attended a 
> > certain number of previous IETFs to be eligible for NomCom 
> > participation (which is not unlike the 'attend X meetings before you 
> > can vote' rule in the IEEE and other organizations). How the NomCom 
> > reaches consensus is not specified, but may involve votes.
> >
> > Joe
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