Perhaps that's one way to prove that the bar is high/low. Another way is to
ask around with this in mind and see if we all run into old rumors of what has
been tried and with what results :-).
My other point is that we are trying to fix the wrong problem. I think that
the nomcom process may be in trouble. We have very few people volunteering to
be on the nomcom and an easy to launch recall process puts more pressure on the
nomcom membership selection process.
Also consider this. Let's say we give 1 year for someone to figure out their
IESG/IAB job; so if a number of discontented people can't wait another year
from then on, they should be forced to find a sizable number of people to sign
on the recall petition.
I have been on the nomcom last year and again this year (someone smarter than
me figured out that this is probably due to the fact that very few people
volunteer to be on the nomcom), and we get feedback that a certain IESG member
or IAB member should really be replaced. But, we also receive positive
feedback on the same person. So, if we allow 10 people to launch recall
processes everytime they are not happy with an IESG member's decision, the IETF
will become more political than it is already.
I will close with saying that we have NOT received a whole lot of community
feedback this year on potential candidates or on what's working or what's not
on the incumbents. What's the point of having nominating or recall committes
if they are not used by the community? More importantly, I worry that a recall
may even succeed with the recall committee only hearing one side of the story.
The nomcom processes are very secretive, the process of collecting 20
signatures on a recall petition has a better chance of getting wider exposure
and hence the entire IETF may be involved in the decision as opposed to a few
people.
Lakshminath
-----Original Message-----
From: Eliot Lear [mailto:lear(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com]
Sent: Tue 11/15/2005 7:49 AM
To: Dondeti, Lakshminath
Cc: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org; john-ietf(_at_)jck(_dot_)com
Subject: Re: On revising 3777 as in draft-klensin-recall-rev-00
Dondeti, Lakshminath wrote:
Hi Eliot,
The most recent number of nomcom eligible folks is 849, please see
https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/show_nomcom_message.cgi?id=446. 20
people out of that isn't all that high. I think I might easily find 10
like-minded people.
Prove it. If you can't then we clearly have the bar *unnecessarily*
high. Don't get me wrong. I think it should be hard to recall
someone. And the process should not be abused, so I agree with the
goals, but I disagree with the numbers.
Eliot
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