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RE: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin

2006-01-31 14:50:52
Bernard,

        The way I interpret your statement is that you feel that 
replacement of the existing set of documents - possibly with a
single new document - is preferred to writing one or more new
documents with the intent to just "glue" the current set back
together.

        Is that a correct interpretation?

--
Eric

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--> To: leslie(_at_)thinkingcat(_dot_)com; hartmans-ietf(_at_)mit(_dot_)edu
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--> Subject: Re: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin
--> 
--> My personal perspective is that on a subject as sensitive 
--> as banning, it is 
--> very important to have clear, well documented procedures 
--> dictating the 
--> process and who is allowed to initiate the ban.  Creation 
--> of more documents 
--> may not be the solution to this problem, particularly since the 
--> applicability and overlap of the existing documents is 
--> already somewhat 
--> unclear.
--> 
--> 
--> >From: Leslie Daigle <leslie(_at_)thinkingcat(_dot_)com>
--> >To: Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf(_at_)mit(_dot_)edu>
--> >CC: IAB <iab(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>, "Iesg (E-mail)" 
<iesg(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>, 
--> ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
--> >Subject: Re: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin
--> >Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:42:24 -0500
--> >
--> >Sam,
--> >
--> >One IAB member's perspective:  no, the expectation is not
--> >BCP upon BCP upon BCP.
--> >
--> >The devil is, of course, in the details.   Even community commented
--> >on published operational procedures should not be at odds with
--> >our general or specific process documents, or else that seems
--> >to suggest the process documents need updating.  And we have
--> >a community-defined process for that (which seems to result
--> >in a BCP).
--> >
--> >Again -- that's just one person's perspective.
--> >
--> >Leslie.
--> >
--> >Sam Hartman wrote:
--> >>
--> >>So, a clarification request:
--> >>
--> >>Am I correctly understanding that the clear and public requirement
--> >>does not always imply a process RFC?  In particular, John 
--> Klensin has
--> >>made an argument that there are a wide variety of matters that are
--> >>better handled by operational procedures made available 
--> for community
--> >>comment than by BCP document.
--> >>
--> >>It's my reading that the IAB is interested in making sure that the
--> >>processes and rules are clear and public, not that they are all
--> >>codified in BCP.
--> >>
--> >>
--> >>I'm not looking for a formal response from the IAB but would
--> >>appreciate comments from its members.
--> >>
--> >>--Sam
--> >>
--> >>
--> >
--> 
--> 
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