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Re: "Discuss" criteria

2007-01-02 08:02:14
"John" == John Leslie <john(_at_)jlc(_dot_)net> writes:

    John> Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf(_at_)mit(_dot_)edu> wrote:
    >> Scott O Bradner <sob(_at_)harvard(_dot_)edu> writes:
    >> 
    >>>> * The IETF as a whole does not have consensus on the
    >>>> technical approach or document. There are cases where
    >>>> individual working groups or areas have forged rough
    >>>> consensus around a technical approach which does not garner
    >>>> IETF consensus. An AD may DISCUSS a document where she or he
    >>>> believes this to be the case. While the Area Director should
    >>>> describe the technical area where consensus is flawed, the
    >>>> focus of the DISCUSS and its resolution should be on how to
    >>>> forge a cross-IETF consensus.
    >>  what actual evidence must an AD present to indicate that the
    >> assertion of non-consensus is anywhere but in the one AD's
    >> mind?
    >> 
    >> None.  But the AD must be willing to propose a procedure that
    >> the rest of the IESG can go along with to determine whether
    >> there is in fact a lack of consensus or wether the AD is wrong.
    >> This style of discuss is much more of a "Hold on here, let's
    >> work together to check consensus," than a "I'm blocking this
    >> document for ever."

    John>    This is venturing into dangerous territory. The best
    John> expertise on the technical issues involved _should_ be in
    John> the WG that produced the document. Expecting to find
    John> _better_ expertise within the IESG seems less than
    John> rational...


For this type of discuss, the IESG is not making a technical judgment,
but rather a judgment of consensus and process.  And expecting the
IESG to understand our process and be able to execute it is hopefully
a rational judgment.


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