On Nov 18, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Scott Brim wrote:
Excerpts from Randy Bush on Tue, Nov 18, 2008 10:39:57AM -0600:
qdang(_at_)nist(_dot_)gov wrote:
I believe our US government would like to grant visas to as many
people as they can. However, if anyone wants to attend a meeting in
the US is granted a visa to come here, then I can imagine there will
be 100 million visa applications for the IETF meeting in CA next
year
alone.
thank you for demonstrating so clearly the jingoistic prejudice at
the
us government level that should preclude ietf being held in the
united
states.
How would you solve the problem? Let 100 million people in on false
pretenses? I'm not going to defend the behavior of the US government,
but I want you to admit that US immigration has a difficult problem.
Slinging labels around doesn't help.
Remember, the IETF is NOT special. There are tens of thousands of
conferences, and they are all pretty much need-to-be-treated equal.
If the US gave effectively carte blanch to conference attendees, you
would have no immigration controls, period, as this would be a big
enough loophole to fly an A380 through.
The Visa issue in the US is serious, but how many people are really
affected by this?
We need hard data, because the notion of simply "not holding IETF
meetings in a terrorist country" is not effective.
And if you want to do Visa issues as a criteria, you can strongly
argue that all IETF meeting SHOULD be in a country where a visa is not
required for travel for EU, US, Japanese, and Canadian citizens.
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