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Re: [73attendees] Is USA qualified for 2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?

2008-11-20 12:10:30

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ole Jacobsen" <ole(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com>
To: <dcrocker(_at_)bbiw(_dot_)net>
Cc: <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>; <73attendees(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: [73attendees] Is USA qualified for 
2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?



Dave,

The IAOC is aware of the situation with respect to visas for visitors 
from mainland China at this particular IETF meeting. Generally 
speaking, applicants are NOT refused visas, they just don't get a
reply (or a visa) in time and they may never get a reply at all.

You are right. We can not get a reply at all. Most persons applied the visa in 
Sep.(almost 2 months in advance of the ietf meeting ).  As a rule of Visa 
office,
we can not check the status from the visa office during the period of our 
application. The only answer they will say is  "just wait, when the visa is 
available, you will get a notice. "  Normally, when the ietf meeting begins, 
sometimes we will get a call from visa office, which said "sorry since the 
meeting has already began, we can not issue the visa to you this time. pls 
apply it next time."





We are not sure what happened this time, but we believe the "no reply" 
rate was much higher than normal and we will be working with various
parties to try to make this easier in the future.

thanks.


It's worth noting that the visa situation for most countries in the 
world is by no means "static" so it's not just as simple as picking
a list of venues with the most favorable visa situation, as this may
have changed by the time we get round to having the meeting --- which,
as you know, we try to schedule as far in advance as possible, in
the 1 - 2 year range.

As for being "dragged into politics," this is unfortunately not easy
to avoid either. I probably don't need to mention the three^H^H^H^H^Hone
China issue for example.

Ole (IAOC Meetings subcommittee chair)

Ole J. Jacobsen 
Editor and Publisher,  The Internet Protocol Journal
Cisco Systems
Tel: +1 408-527-8972   Mobile: +1 415-370-4628
E-mail: ole(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com  URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj


On Wed, 19 Nov 2008, Dave CROCKER wrote:

It's not a matter of being dragged into politics.  (Or at least, it shouldn't
be.)

It's essentially an engineering task of working to maximize the ability of
people to attend IETF meetings, by looking for venues where visa processing 
is
the least problematic.

That does not mean "no visas" or anything else simplistic, except that border
controls do not impose undue and unpredictable barriers.

d/
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