Re: IETF 78 Annoucement

--On Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:07 PM -0700 Fred Baker 
<fred(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com> wrote:
> ...
> I'm also not very happy with the tone. What's this "confirm or
> deny" stuff that you and JCK are using? Could you please
> confirm or deny that the members of the IAOC are also IETF
> participants, travel at least as much as you do, and generally
> have similar sets of concerns? Could you, perhaps, confirm or
> deny that we're all in this boat together and nobody is out to
> make things difficult for anyone else?
Fred,

The IAOC is not in the habit of publishing timely minutes.  Even 
when minutes are published, they seem more likely to say "we 
decided to meet at X" than "we considered the following options 
..., with the following advantages and disadvantages, including 
estimating net IETF operational costs (Secretariat and staff 
travel and accommodations, meeting rooms. cookies, network, 
etc.) at A for X, B for Y, and C for Z, and estimating modal 
costs per attendee at D for X, E for Y, F for Z.
I hope those analyses are being done even if they are not the 
only analyses or only controlling factors. I have never seen 
them nor, as far as I know, has any other IETF participant who 
is not on the IAOC.   I think we ought to be seeing the numbers. 
If there are reasons for not exposing the numbers, I think we 
are at least entitled to ask questions about whether the 
analyses were actually done or whether other factors so 
dominated one or another of those considerations that the 
analyses were not worth the trouble.
Independent of choices or words and the tone you perceive, in 
the absence of minutes that expose the decision-making process 
or availability to the community of the actual evaluations 
(numerical estimates and all), I think people are entitled to 
ask "were these analyses even done and what conclusions did you 
rely on?".   If the IAOC were being as open, transparent, and 
timely about reporting information as many of us anticipated 
when BCP 101 was adopted, no one would be asking such questions 
because they would effectively have already been answered.
   john




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