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Re: Varying meeting venue -- why?

2010-08-16 10:06:50
It's is certainly possible to make it to Hiroshima on a day trip from Tokyo. N1 
leaves Tokyo at 0600 and arrives in Hiroshima at 0943 so you opinion is rather 
poorly informed.

In a business context people do it all the time.

Joel's iPad

On Aug 13, 2010, at 11:48, Dave CROCKER <dhc(_at_)dcrocker(_dot_)net> wrote:



On 8/13/2010 10:40 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
Based on a sample of 3 (Hiroshima, Anaheim and Maastricht) I am not at
all sure your statement is factually correct. Tokyo would have been
better than Hiroshima and Amsterdam might have been better than
Maastricht and maybe "LA" (a big place) would have been better than
Anaheim, but to conclude that these locations "discourage one-day
attendance" I think is a stretch.


Well, since the target market isn't really specified and the criteria for 
satisfying it aren't specified, what's really going on is a lot of private 
models that probably don't match.

Getting some agreement at this level would permit more substantive 
consideration, so here's an attempt to specify it:

A Day Pass is for attendees with a very narrow focus of activity in an IETF 
meeting.  The fee reduces the cost of their participation substantially, both 
in terms of money and time.

Alternative criteria:

Local --

    One kind of Day Pass user would be someone relatively local to the 
meeting area. They should be able to travel to and from the meeting and 
attend it all on the same day.

Regional --

    Another kind of Day Pass user would permit a two-day trip, with one night 
at the conference venue.  Travel time and cost for a regional attendee is 
much higher than for a Local attendee, but still far less expensive than a 
full attendee.

In terms of Local attendees, for the 3 cited venues, only Anaheim is 
reasonable, IMO.  Maastrict and Hiroshima are too far away from significant 
centers of IETF-related work to qualify.

I'm not sure whether Hiroshima would qualify for a Regional attendee, but 
assume it would.  So would the other 3 sites.

My comment had assumed a goal of Local attendees.  Perhaps you intend 
Regional?

d/

On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Dave CROCKER wrote:
An example of the problem with the day pass experiment is our tendency to be
at venues that discourage one-day attendance.

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 Dave Crocker
 Brandenburg InternetWorking
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