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Re: Varying meeting venue -- why?

2010-08-16 13:05:47
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Dave CROCKER wrote:

Well, since the target market isn't really specified and the 
criteria for satisfying it aren't specified, what's really going on 
is a lot of private models that probably don't match.

The target market was well specified in Hiroshima: Expose a new 
community to our work. This was an explicit desire by WIDE and
I believe that it worked quite well based on the numbers, but
this does NOT mean that I expect to see (m)any of these attendees
as regular IETFers. Exposure to our way of doing things does not
mean that they'll join our ranks, but that does not make the
excercise/experiment invalid. And I don't see how this is a
"private model".

The rest of your message tries to define day-pass participation
in terms of geography and I think that misses the point. I don't
believe that getting from "home" to X and back home in one day
is necessarily the goal, but I can easily see someone flying to
Europe for example, attending the IETF for one day, then doing
other business in X or somewhere near X, or maybe even not that
near X (requiring more travel).

If you prefer the term "regional" to "local", then fine, but again
I don't think this should be a significant factor in deciding if
we continue the experiment or not.

I think we can agree that the day pass program makes attending
part of an IETF meeting "easier" in terms of time and money
commitment, there is considerable debate about whether or not
this is desirable for the overall good of the IETF, and there
is also the reality of what actually happens now, day pass or
not.

Ole


Getting some agreement at this level would permit more substantive
consideration, so here's an attempt to specify it:

A Day Pass is for attendees with a very narrow focus of activity in an IETF
meeting.  The fee reduces the cost of their participation substantially, both
in terms of money and time.

Alternative criteria:

Local --

     One kind of Day Pass user would be someone relatively local to the
meeting area. They should be able to travel to and from the meeting and attend
it all on the same day.

Regional --

     Another kind of Day Pass user would permit a two-day trip, with one night
at the conference venue.  Travel time and cost for a regional attendee is much
higher than for a Local attendee, but still far less expensive than a full
attendee.

In terms of Local attendees, for the 3 cited venues, only Anaheim is
reasonable, IMO.  Maastrict and Hiroshima are too far away from significant
centers of IETF-related work to qualify.

I'm not sure whether Hiroshima would qualify for a Regional attendee, but
assume it would.  So would the other 3 sites.

My comment had assumed a goal of Local attendees.  Perhaps you intend
Regional?

d/


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