At 01:27 20-10-2011, John C Klensin wrote:
Two omissions from this document illustrates why community input
is important:
(1) I don't know how much experience IAOC members have with
trying to participate remotely, but, having done so, there are
I'll rephrase that as "I don't know how much experience IAOC members
have with trying to participate in a working group remotely". I hope
that is clear in case an IAOC member would like to comment.
insights into what is needed that one just cannot obtain by
physically attending a meeting and observing how things work.
If any RFP or subsequent contract does not provide for input
from, and probably interviews of, selected people who have tried
to participate remotely while carrying out various roles, then
the odds are high that the resulting work will not be adequate
in practice. Instead, this RFP appears to provide only for
"observ[ing] group and plenary sessions" and then review of the
initial specifications by groups that are unlikely to include
the full range of remote participants.
If the experience is based on usage of Meetecho, Adobe, Citrix and
Webex, it does not cover my use case. These services may be good
enough for some use cases but they have enough failure modes to make
remote participation difficult. The RFP mentions bidirectional audio
and video. As John has attempted to chair a working group remotely,
he might be aware that real-time can mean more than 10 seconds
between the time an event occurs and when it is registered at the remote end.
In addition, while I don't believe members of the community
should be required to read and study IAOC minutes to find out
that particular RFPs are under development so that they can
comment, I note that no IAOC minutes have been posted since
those for an IAOC meeting held on 27 July during IETF 81.
I noticed that too.
I recommend that the RFP be withdrawn until modifications such
as those suggested above can be discussed by the IAOC and
further input on draft RFP provisions sought from the community.
I also recommend that no further RFPs be issued until the
relevant IAOC discussions and decisions be properly recorded in
IAOC minutes and those minutes posted.
I doubt that's going to happen.
I would be grateful if Meetecho, Adobe, Citrix and Webex could be
kept as experimental instead of being standardized. XMPP works
fine. The current audio feed may not be sexy but it actually works
in less than ideal environments. BTW, the audio feed for the plenary
sessions could be published on the agenda web page as it is usually a
hassle to find.
Regards,
-sm
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