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From: ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
[mailto:ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On Behalf Of
Doug Barton
Thank you for confirming publicly that the issue here is not a
technical
one, but rather that the ISPs would prefer not to bear the costs of
dealing with the problem that they helped create.
[WEG] Thank you for confirming publicly that you'd prefer to preach at/blame
ambiguous entities ("the ISPs") for perceived past sins as a way to make their
problem seem illegitimate.
Yes, ISPs would rather not make a bad situation worse. We're already bearing
costs to deploy IPv6, and eventually will be bearing the costs of deploying and
supporting CGN no matter how distasteful we find it. We'd rather not add
additional CGN breakage to the mix. This is primarily because we want our
customers to be happy, and broken customers != happy customers. Yes, broken
customers have associated support costs that we'd rather not pay, but that's
secondary. What's mystifying and frustrating me is that some folks in the IETF
refuse to believe us when we say that based on what *we* know about *our*
networks and the CPE that *our* customers use, use of 1918 or squat space will
be worse. You've made it clear that you don't think that the 90/10 problem is a
large enough problem to justify a separate allocation, and it seems unlikely
that anyone will convince you otherwise, apparently because this is somehow
someone's fault and they should take responsibility for it. I'm not
sure what else I can say here. I'd love for you to be right and it's not a
problem, but I'm not willing to stake my job on it. Are you?
More seriously, it sounds to me like the most persuasive argument in
favor of doing the new allocation boils down to simple extortion. "Give
us a $50,000,000 'gift' or we'll do bad things to the intahrnetz."
[WEG] Really? Solutions to operator problems = extortion? Glad to see that
discourse here has degenerated to same extent it has in politics - when all
else fails, resort to hyperbole, FUD, and namecalling...
And we wonder why we can't get better operator participation and representation
here...
Wes George
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