Re: Travel/Attendees list FAQ

+1,000,000

The argument that an RFC, retrieved from the web, is more accessible than a web 
page or wiki, retrieved from the web, does not reflect reality.

The argument that if the questions do not change much from venue to venue needs 
to be an RFC, and not a web page or wiki, does not hold water. RFCs are 
supposed to NEVER change. That is why we still have RFC 1000, 2000, 3000 
available. Do we really need 6 RFCs covering "what makes a good host", because 
we keep thinking of new items or to fix old ones?

The argument that we need an RFC or twelve to show potential hosts, instead of 
a "how to host an IETF" web page is beyond wrong. One thing that keeps coming 
up is the people who do the on-the-ground hosting of IETFs are not people who 
attend IETFs. They are the "party planners," hotel coordinators, swag printers, 
etc. For them an RFC is entirely alien. I would be amazed if they (1) could 
find an RFC and (2) if they read beyond the 1.5 pages of IETF Trust boiler 
plate. Conversely, these people are totally used to going to a web page to pick 
up tips or requirements for hosting.

In theory I could be swayed for making this data available as a managed web 
page, but in practice it will get done if it is a wiki. Instead of 16 messages 
on why we should or should not publish an RFC, which most would agree would be 
obsolete before it gets published, we could have had 12 entries in a wiki. With 
Wes' work as a seed, we would be done by now.


On Dec 7, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:

> On 12/07/2011 10:51 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
> > But a template for the required information would indeed be useful.
> I guess I'm not seeing anything here that looks to me like
> requirements, or anything here that can't be satisfied with
> something totally open, like a wiki.
>
> This whole business of trying to formalize this strikes me as
> rather of a piece with non-"Bar" non-"BOFs" and ossification
> of IETF processes.  I think it's great that Wes put together
> a proposal and I hope that it's seen as a starting point for
> a wiki or some such rather than as yet something else that
> needs an editor and needs an approval process and that isn't
> as lightweight and responsive as something like an attendees
> info sheet should be.
>
> Melinda
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