RE: So, where to repeat?

Minneapolis is infinitely more glamorous Frankfurt .. 

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From: ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org 
[mailto:ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On Behalf Of Tim
Bray
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 12:30 PM
To: Geoff Mulligan
Cc: Dave Crocker; ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: So, where to repeat?

Frankfurt as the Minneapolis of Europe: central, well-connected, cold,
unglamorous.  -T

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Geoff Mulligan <geoff(_at_)proto6(_dot_)com> 
wrote:
> On 08/09/2012 09:17 AM, Yoav Nir wrote:
> > On Aug 9, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
> >
> > > offlist.
> > Not so much
> >
> > > Geoff,
> > >
> > > Frankfurt is a city in Germany.  I believe the IETF has never been
there.
> > Two more tidbits:
> >   - It's a huge aviation hub. There are direct flights from 
> > everywhere, similar to CDG, Heathrow, or Schiphol
> >   - Unlike Paris, London and Amsterdam, it's not a great tourist 
> > attraction, so conceivably it would be cheaper.
> I've found it relatively inexpensive, clean and very easy to get to.
> > > Other than those two tidbits about it, I've no idea what is to be 
> > > accomplished by someone's randomly throwing out the names of cities 
> > > for a discussion like this, especially when threads like these 
> > > always have a great deal of trouble staying focused on the 
> > > /principle/ rather than haggling the details.
> > The principle would be to go to aviation hubs so as to minimize the 
> > collective pain. Most people from the US going to Prague, would have 
> > a connection in Frankfurt, so a meeting in Frankfurt would reduce the 
> > amount of flights.
> This is why I threw out a "not so random" city name - Frankfurt.
> > Yoav
> >
> > > On 8/8/2012 12:24 PM, Geoff Mulligan wrote:
> > > > Frankfurt?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Aug 8, 2012, at 12:49 PM, Dave Crocker <dcrocker(_at_)bbiw(_dot_)net> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 8/8/2012 11:46 AM, Geoff Mulligan wrote:
> > > > > > So then why not consider, London, Paris (not the Concorde 
> > > > > > Lafayette), Frankfurt, Amsterdam?
> > > > >
> > > > > shockingly, amsterdam can't handle the ietf.  wrong mix of resources.
> > > > > really.
> > > > >
> > > > > paris appears to have broad crime and work-ethic patterns that 
> > > > > also are problematic, not just at the concorde.
> > > > >
> > > > > to be clear: i'm speaking for myself.
> > > > >
> > > > > d/
> > > > >
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