On Sep 8, 2012, at 8:36 PM, Joe Touch <touch(_at_)ISI(_dot_)EDU> wrote:
On 9/8/2012 11:59 AM, Melinda Shore wrote:
On 9/8/12 10:51 AM, Joe Touch wrote:
Nothing about an ID is inherently obsolete or out of date after 6 months
except its being publicly available on authorized sites (up until now).
I think this is absolutely incorrect. Internet Drafts are IETF
documents, and expiration changes the relationship between the draft
and the IETF. I have to say that I think it's terribly unprofessional
not to hang onto archival material
Draft != archival
Or do you keep copies of all versions of papers you publish, including the
ones submitted for review? In case lawyers might need it, or for the benefit
of the public?
and frankly it's in the interest
of the IETF as an *open* standards organization to keep archival
material accessible.
Agreed.
When you're working on a problem that's been around forever and
still hasn't been solved (like, oh, I dunno - firewall/NAT traversal?),
easy access to expired drafts is an enormous help.
The needs of the community - including the lawyers - do not outweigh the
rights of the author or the agreement they make with the IETF to date.
The original point of having drafts expire seems to have been forgotten here.
That's a pity. It did have a reason, and it was useful.
The original reason for expiring drafts, along with giving them long,
complicated names that includes the word "draft", was to keep them
from being referenced as if they were standards, based on experience
gathered from the short lived IDEA document series. I don't think
that having an archive of expired drafts weakens that original goal.
-David Borman
Would you be more comfortable if there were some sort of visual
flag that a draft had expired?
If you post it, it's not expired. There's no point in claiming otherwise.
Joe
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The information contained in this transmission may be confidential. Any
disclosure, copying, or further distribution of confidential information is not
permitted unless such privilege is explicitly granted in writing by Quantum.
Quantum reserves the right to have electronic communications, including email
and attachments, sent across its networks filtered through anti virus and spam
software programs and retain such messages in order to comply with applicable
data security and retention requirements. Quantum is not responsible for the
proper and complete transmission of the substance of this communication or for
any delay in its receipt.