We had such a WG-Chairs session dedicated exactly to this topic (document
shepherding) at IETF-82 - including a panel of document shepherds and ADs
sharing experience and discussing ways to improve the process and make the
shepherds role more efficient.
Dan
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[mailto:ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On Behalf Of
Alia Atlas
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 1:12 AM
To: Benoit Claise
Cc: John Leslie; IETF IETF
Subject: Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director
Perhaps even dedicate a WG-Chairs lunch meeting to it? I think the role
has grown over the years.
Alia
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Benoit Claise <bclaise(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com>
wrote:
On 4/03/2013 15:57, John Leslie wrote:
Eggert, Lars <lars(_at_)netapp(_dot_)com> wrote:
On Mar 4, 2013, at 13:18, Eric Burger
<eburger(_at_)standardstrack(_dot_)com>
wrote:
I will say it again - the IETF is organized by us. Therefore, this
situation is created by us. We have the power to fix it. We have to
want to fix it. Saying there is nothing we can do because this is
the way it is is the same as saying we do not WANT to fix it.
what is "the fix"?
There is an obvious place to look for ideas: the directorates.
See:
http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate.html
That would help if the AD job would not be a full time job. Sure.
And I see some suggestions in this email thread to rely more on the
directorates. That makes sense (but reviews vary greatly, however) One
track not mentioned in this thread is the document shepherd.
The document shepherd job, when done according to RFC 4858 (see
specifically section 3.2 and 3.3) would save a huge amount of time to
the AD.
Recently, for a single draft, I spent hoouuurrrssss trying to track
all the open issues from the directorates and the IESG, and chasing
the authors. On top of taking some time, I had to be become expert for
every single aspect of the specification to evaluate whether the
answer was right... while the document shepherd has already the
expertise.
We should probably stress (again) the importance of document shepherd
function...
Regards, Benoit