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Re: IETF working language

2014-03-09 13:05:25
Within a generation we will surely have near perfect computerised text 
translation and passable voice translation, so the problem will likely 
disappear with time.

Stewart

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On 9 Mar 2014, at 14:48, "Ted Lemon" <ted(_dot_)lemon(_at_)nominum(_dot_)com> 
wrote:

On Mar 8, 2014, at 8:02 PM, mohammed serrhini <serrhini(_at_)mail(_dot_)ru> 
wrote:
I think their exclusion is not fair  
the effort must be made ​​by the latter because he has put himself in the 
skin of the other 
and must to ask him self , what happen in the case if native language is the 
official language IETF is not English

One of the frustrations of life is that even if we recognize that something 
is unfair, there may be limited possibilities for addressing the unfairness.  
 It was once the case that French was the language of diplomacy, and an 
attempt was made to formulate an artificial language, Esperanto, for use by 
diplomats as a new "lingua franca."

For better or for worse, the Internet broke that process (I don't think there 
was much hope for Esperanto anyway).   So what do we do now?   Try to revive 
Esperanto as a language for expressing standards?   Choose a different 
language, so as to change the lucky recipient of privilege?

I can't speak for other IETFers, but I am keenly aware of the unfairness of 
the current situation.   But the only thing I know how to do to fix it is to 
help people for whom english is not their first language to participate in 
english anyway.   There is a lot of interest within the IETF in doing 
this—it's not just me.

If you have ideas for how to change this, please share them with us.   But 
the mere fact that I as a native english speaker happen to be privileged at 
the moment is a fact with which I am already painfully familiar (although no 
doubt much less painfully than the non-native english speakers).

If other IETFers are not aware of this, it would be good if they could wake 
up to it.   I would certainly advise native-english-speaking IETFers to 
really exercise patience when communicating with non-native speakers, keeping 
in mind exactly what you, Mohammed, have said: that the situation is unfair, 
and it is incumbent on those of us in the privileged position to do our best 
to help those who are not.

But is that all we can do?   And if we do it to the best of our ability, will 
it be enough?   And, I hate to say it, given that not everybody will see it 
the way you do or the way I do, what else can we do?