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Re: I-D.farrresnickel-harassment - timebomb

2015-03-20 12:10:52
At 12:43 PM 3/20/2015, Nico Williams wrote:
If its also  (or only) a "legal" issue, we direct the affected
participants to engage elsewhere and keep our mitts out of that part
of it. 

Yes.  And, of course, if such law purports to bind the IETF to have a
role in enforcing it, then the IETF must consider it, for the obvious
reason that not doing so may incur liability in/as to that locality.  I
think this was part of the intent, and there's nothing wrong with that.


I've been looking for such a law. In many jurisdictions.  I've been unable to 
find one.    All of the similar laws have a tighter nexus - e.g. workplace 
harassment has a nexus with an employer.  The IETF isn't (mostly) the employer 
of the attendees or participants.  The other SDO's actually have to create a 
nexus between themselves and their participants with respect to harassment 
(look at the membership agreements) wherein the members consent to jurisdiction 
and that doesn't actually create a duty in law for the SDO past that stated in 
the membership agreement AFAICT. We don't actually have members in the legal 
sense so its hard to find a nexus where the IETF has a duty in law past those 
that any organization that holds an in-person meetings would have (e.g. safety 
issues mostly).


Later, Mike


ps - the closest thing to the above that I've found that's not related to 
employment are the mandated reporter laws related to child neglect and abuse.   
What I've been looking specifically where a third party (e.g the IETF in this 
case) is responsible for policing the non-physical interactions between two 
individuals.  Can any one point to a specific law that is NOT employer/employee 
related?