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Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input

2016-05-24 09:28:46
Do we really want to debate this now and in this list?

My suggestion was looking into “hopefully” we don’t start that way with the 
first case Singapore, because then I will must take all the points in the 
“Topics” section of the web site you suggested.

Just to name a few (not in any particular order), which are relevant to 
countries that we visited already, and some that we visit often:

1) Freedom of Speech
2) Death penalty
3) Torture
4) Justice
5) LGBT rights
6) Free use of guns

As said, if we go that way, we will end up in reducing to the half the number 
of possible countries from the ones we have already been.

Saludos,
Jordi


-----Mensaje original-----
De: Eric Rescorla <ekr(_at_)rtfm(_dot_)com>
Responder a: <ekr(_at_)rtfm(_dot_)com>
Fecha: martes, 24 de mayo de 2016, 16:18
Para: Jordi Palet Martinez <jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es>
CC: IETF discussion list <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Asunto: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and 
request for input

It seems like generally most countries have some human rights issues to 
complain about. Could you please indicate which countries we would be free to 
visit under your proposed rule?
-Ekr

P.S. You might find https://www.hrw.org/ useful here.



On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 6:50 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ 
<jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es> wrote:

In the context:

“IF” we decide not to go to Singapore, then we must avoid going to ANY country 
that is against human rights, including death penalty.


Saludos,
Jordi


-----Mensaje original-----
De: Eric Rescorla <ekr(_at_)rtfm(_dot_)com>
Responder a: <ekr(_at_)rtfm(_dot_)com>
Fecha: martes, 24 de mayo de 2016, 15:46
Para: Jordi Palet Martinez <jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es>
CC: IETF discussion list <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Asunto: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and 
request for input



On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:25 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ 
<jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es> wrote:

I will go further:

     The same must apply for any country where death penalty is still 
applied.



So I take it you oppose meeting in Singapore?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Singapore


-Ekr





Saludos,
Jordi


-----Mensaje original-----
De: ietf <ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org> en nombre de Jordi Palet Martinez 
<jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es>
Responder a: Jordi Palet Martinez 
<jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es>
Fecha: martes, 24 de mayo de 2016, 14:22
Para: <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Asunto: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward 
and request for input

+1

Saludos,
Jordi


-----Mensaje original-----
De: ietf <ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org> en nombre de Mikael Abrahamsson 
<swmike(_at_)swm(_dot_)pp(_dot_)se>
Organización: People's Front Against WWW
Responder a: <swmike(_at_)swm(_dot_)pp(_dot_)se>
Fecha: martes, 24 de mayo de 2016, 14:09
Para: Harish Pillay <harish(_dot_)pillay(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com>
CC: <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Asunto: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward 
and request for input

On Mon, 23 May 2016, Harish Pillay wrote:

ever used. That is my world experience. When I travel to the US and
I see people carrying weapons, how am I supposed to react/respond?

Let me +1 this here, I am seriously scared for my life whenever I interact
with law enforcement officers in the US, just from the fact that I know
they have to interact with armed people all the time and have to be
cautious that anyone they interact with has a decent likelyhood to be
armed.

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/states-that-have-stand-your-ground-laws.html

If we can't go to Singapore because they happen to have anti-LGBT laws on
the books, then I suggest we do not have any further meetings in USA at
all, especially not states that have stand-your-ground laws on their
books.

As opposed to Singapore where anti-LGBT laws aren't really enforced, in
USA these kinds of laws seems to be on the rise instead of things getting
better.

--
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike(_at_)swm(_dot_)pp(_dot_)se









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