Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and r

Exactly!

So should we decide if we want to count to what % of participants it will 
affect by each possible item?

or

Should we ignore anything that is not related to “getting the work done”? and 
that means probably only a war or similar global situation can mean selecting a 
venue or cancelling it?

If we try to stick to any point in the middle ALWAYS there will be even a small 
group of participants affected with a specific venue.

Regards,
Jordi


-----Mensaje original-----
De: ietf <ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org> en nombre de Yoav Nir 
<ynir(_dot_)ietf(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com>
Responder a: <ynir(_dot_)ietf(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com>
Fecha: martes, 24 de mayo de 2016, 16:37
Para: Adam Roach <adam(_at_)nostrum(_dot_)com>
CC: IETF discussion list <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>, Jordi Palet Martinez 
<jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es>
Asunto: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and 
request for input

> And does that mean it should count more?  Less?
>
> > On 24 May 2016, at 5:33 PM, Adam Roach <adam(_at_)nostrum(_dot_)com> wrote:
> >
> > One of the things on your list is completely unlike the others.
> >
> > #1, #2, #3, #4, and #6 affect everyone equally.
> >
> > #5 does not.
> >
> > That's pretty fundamental to this discussion.
> >
> > /a
> >
> > On 5/24/16 09:28, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
> > > Do we really want to debate this now and in this list?
> > >
> > > My suggestion was looking into “hopefully” we don’t start that way with the 
> > > first case Singapore, because then I will must take all the points in the 
> > > “Topics” section of the web site you suggested.
> > >
> > > Just to name a few (not in any particular order), which are relevant to 
> > > countries that we visited already, and some that we visit often:
> > >
> > > 1) Freedom of Speech
> > > 2) Death penalty
> > > 3) Torture
> > > 4) Justice
> > > 5) LGBT rights
> > > 6) Free use of guns
> > >
> > > As said, if we go that way, we will end up in reducing to the half the 
> > > number of possible countries from the ones we have already been.
> > >
> > > Saludos,
> > > Jordi
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Mensaje original-----
> > > De: Eric Rescorla <ekr(_at_)rtfm(_dot_)com>
> > > Responder a: <ekr(_at_)rtfm(_dot_)com>
> > > Fecha: martes, 24 de mayo de 2016, 16:18
> > > Para: Jordi Palet Martinez <jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es>
> > > CC: IETF discussion list <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
> > > Asunto: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward 
> > > and request for input
> > >
> > > > It seems like generally most countries have some human rights issues to 
> > > > complain about. Could you please indicate which countries we would be free 
> > > > to visit under your proposed rule?
> > > > -Ekr
> > > >
> > > > P.S. You might find https://www.hrw.org/ useful here.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 6:50 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ 
> > > > <jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In the context:
> > > >
> > > > “IF” we decide not to go to Singapore, then we must avoid going to ANY 
> > > > country that is against human rights, including death penalty.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Saludos,
> > > > Jordi
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Mensaje original-----
> > > > De: Eric Rescorla <ekr(_at_)rtfm(_dot_)com>
> > > > Responder a: <ekr(_at_)rtfm(_dot_)com>
> > > > Fecha: martes, 24 de mayo de 2016, 15:46
> > > > Para: Jordi Palet Martinez <jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es>
> > > > CC: IETF discussion list <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
> > > > Asunto: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward 
> > > > and request for input
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:25 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ 
> > > > > <jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I will go further:
> > > > >
> > > > >      The same must apply for any country where death penalty is still 
> > > > > applied.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So I take it you oppose meeting in Singapore?
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Singapore
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -Ekr
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Saludos,
> > > > > Jordi
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Mensaje original-----
> > > > > De: ietf <ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org> en nombre de Jordi Palet 
> > > > > Martinez <jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es>
> > > > > Responder a: Jordi Palet Martinez 
> > > > > <jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es>
> > > > > Fecha: martes, 24 de mayo de 2016, 14:22
> > > > > Para: <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
> > > > > Asunto: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path 
> > > > > forward and request for input
> > > > >
> > > > > > +1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Saludos,
> > > > > > Jordi
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Mensaje original-----
> > > > > > De: ietf <ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org> en nombre de Mikael 
> > > > > > Abrahamsson <swmike(_at_)swm(_dot_)pp(_dot_)se>
> > > > > > Organización: People's Front Against WWW
> > > > > > Responder a: <swmike(_at_)swm(_dot_)pp(_dot_)se>
> > > > > > Fecha: martes, 24 de mayo de 2016, 14:09
> > > > > > Para: Harish Pillay <harish(_dot_)pillay(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com>
> > > > > > CC: <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
> > > > > > Asunto: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path 
> > > > > > forward and request for input
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, 23 May 2016, Harish Pillay wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ever used. That is my world experience. When I travel to the US and
> > > > > > > > I see people carrying weapons, how am I supposed to react/respond?
> > > > > > > Let me +1 this here, I am seriously scared for my life whenever I 
> > > > > > > interact
> > > > > > > with law enforcement officers in the US, just from the fact that I know
> > > > > > > they have to interact with armed people all the time and have to be
> > > > > > > cautious that anyone they interact with has a decent likelyhood to be
> > > > > > > armed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/states-that-have-stand-your-ground-laws.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If we can't go to Singapore because they happen to have anti-LGBT laws 
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > the books, then I suggest we do not have any further meetings in USA at
> > > > > > > all, especially not states that have stand-your-ground laws on their
> > > > > > > books.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As opposed to Singapore where anti-LGBT laws aren't really enforced, in
> > > > > > > USA these kinds of laws seems to be on the rise instead of things 
> > > > > > > getting
> > > > > > > better.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
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