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Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input

2016-05-24 13:15:05

On 24 May 2016, at 8:44 PM, Adam Roach <adam(_at_)nostrum(_dot_)com> wrote:

I do not doubt that it sucks to be a gay or bisexual male living in 
Singapore. Spending a week there for work should be fine.

I'll again agree with Jari's formulation, adding emphasis to the final three 
cited words: "I think it is of course necessary to consider things that 
affect the ability to enter, safety (possibly including usual human 
activities that people do outside meetings anyway, families travelling 
along)”.

Then I guess where I disagree with both you and Melinda is that I don’t think 
the ability to bring families along should be an important consideration. This 
may be because I have never traveled to work with family, nor do I consider 
them coming as anything other than a vacation (for them - I would be stuck in 
meetings). I am somewhat uncomfortable with idea of a companion program, but 
that’s a subject for a different thread.

Yes, there are exceptional cases such as when people need to travel with 
companions due to disability. Traveling with family beyond that is a choice. 
Assuming the worst about Singapore, it’s not fair that I have that choice, 
while Ted may feel that he does not. But if we can conclude that our 
participants themselves face no risk of harm or discrimination, I don’t think 
that should be a consideration.

Yoav

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