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Re: [Nmh-workers] Emails being tagged as spam -- NMH solution???

2015-02-23 05:19:23
Hi Andy,

You  guess  wrong.  It  is  useful. I'm  declaring  what's  valid  and
interested parties  can use it, and  I've seen they do,  to help judge
what they've received.

By the way,  my apologies for using  your domain as an  example.

I don't mind;  lots of spammers use it anyway.  And it's your IP address
if any backlist feedback is occurring.  :-)  I found the number of
automatic "bounce" emails, "still undelivered after N hours", that kind
of thing, dropped off very quickly when I put SPF in place.

I was so
surprised to  actually find a domain  that used -all that  I immediately
put on my ``for science'' hat and proceeded to test.

twitter.com and amazon.com are two others with `-all' IIRC.

Did Hotmail accept  the message over SMTP, or also  deliver it to your
inbox? What  was the  detail of  their spam  judgement, e.g.  based on
its  headers? (Using  Hotmail  as  an arbiter  of  quality!? Would  be
interesting to hear what Gmail does.)

Yes,  Hotmail accepted  the message  over  SMTP from  a non-approved  IP
address and delivered it the Spam folder.

OK, so SPF may well have encouraged it to place it in +spam.

Interesting observation.  I've always  found it to  be the  opposite and
you're actually the first to have mentioned  it. At least for me, I find
that  having  the  text  wrapped  at  odd  places,  or  not  wrapped  at
all  depending on  the  terminal/software displaying  it,  is much  more
difficult.

I'm on the GNU groff mailing list, and there's the odd correspondent
there that runs their emails through nroff.  :-)  It also fully
justifies on a TTY, e.g.

    tr -dc 0-4a-c </dev/urandom | tr -s a-z \\n | sed 100q |
    nroff | grep .

Thankfully, man(1) has --nj that can be put into $MANOPT.  :-)

A larger space indicates to me a significant break, e.g. end of
sentence.  Lack of hyphenation means many spaces are becoming two in
your formatting, creating ugly rivers of whitespace.  These are a
problem in typesetting of proportional fonts fully justified;
fixed-width doesn't have a chance.  Subjective, I agree.

It also breaks vim's formatting of the `> ' quotes lines above, i.e. it
preserves the multiple spaces thinking they're significant.

Cheers, Ralph.

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