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Re: Fwd: Re: Re: problem with receipt

2003-07-03 15:05:24
At 12:01 2003-07-03 -0700, Tyler Creelan wrote:
I got this message when I posted to a mailing list that had nothing to
do with this person or company. Could you please stop this autoreplying?

Tellme has already been advised that such autoreplies are inappropriate (this was over a week ago), so it's nice to see that their IT department cares that they're annoying the users of a large mail list, many of whose users are involved in dealing with MAIL ABUSE.

Perhaps if list users remind the tellme.com folks about this problem EACH TIME it crops up, the tellme people will cave in and do the right thing. That might involve hiring of a competent mail admin who can comprehend that what they're doing is *WRONG*.

If you're so inclined, and feel that your email requests may not be reaching their IT personnel, you might try sending a FAX message to them:

        1 650/930-9101  (Mountain View, California, USA)

The following information was offered up to the chaps at tellme.com (this is verbatim except for the omission of a quoted passage which was being replied to):

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A standard _bounce_ can accomplish the same thing, and works within the framework of discussion list management.

in sendmail virtusertable:

zifa(_at_)tellme(_dot_)com ERROR:5.1.1:550 User is no longer employed at tellme. If you have business matters, please contact ronnb(_at_)tellme(_dot_)com

THEN, the MTA properly generates a bounce, following all the standard rules as to who that bounce is delivered to. Lists should drop the subscription because it bounces with the 5.1.1 (User Unknown) error, and human readers can recognize why the address isn't in operation anymore.

This is much preferrable to sending autoreplies to everything which arrives - including correspondance which is arguably not addressed directly to the individual at your firm, since their address doesn't appear in the To: field. Discussion list messages tend to be delivered via BCC - they also tend to have Precendence: junk or Precedence: bulk, which are additional signs that the message doesn't merit an autoreply.
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It is not without considerable irony that tellme.com is a company which deals with interactive voice response systems - i.e. they're supposedly in the business of efficient automated communications.

It is a bummer that they can't sort out how to properly handle email, and instead are throwing autoreplies out to people who have no control over the fact that their user subscribed to a mailing list. None of us can remove that user - only the absent listadmin and the company themselves, who could send an uns*bscribe message on behalf of their user, or hope that eventually a series of LEGITIMATE BOUNCES will result in the removal of their user.

BTW, the Ron chap was obviously not the IT person in charge of having set up the braindead mail config at tellme - he's just the soul to whom Mr. Zifa's old email contacts are being directed, so don't crawl up his arse over it. Perhaps though, if he tires of messages such as this, he might offer up the direct contact address of the IT manager who made the decision to violate basic email protocols.

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 Sean B. Straw / Professional Software Engineering

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