On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 02:45:09PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote:
Am 2004-12-16 13:37:19, schrieb Dallman Ross:
<You owe me a new keyboard!> I will leave it as an exercise for the
reader to decide for himself who, between Michelle and me, leaves
superfluous text, silly PGP and MIME tags, quoted signatures from
others, etc., in list postings.
This you must explain:
1) leaves superfluous text
What Do you mean with this ?
Go to the procmail list archive and search for yourself. Then
open any article and click on "Original." Have a look.
Or better yet, go to the archive and search for something like
Regards;Thanks
and look for any quote symbols before that and see who the author is.
Here's an example:
http://www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/procmail/2004-12/msg00026.html
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Best regards,
> Jan
Greetings
Michelle
2) silly PGP
The Signature works fine in mutt, Mozilla,
Thunderbird, Outlook, Eurora, Pine, Pegasus
I use mutt to read the procmail list. No, it does not work.
Here is what the start of this article looks like to me:
[-- Attachment #1 --]
[-- Type: multipart/signed, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 1.5K --]
[-- PGP output follows (current time: Fri Dec 17 23:15:26 2004) --]
[-- End of PGP output --]
[-- The following data is signed --]
Am 2004-12-16 13:37:19, schrieb Dallman Ross:
Here is what the end looks like (before the list tag):
--
Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/
Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886
50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi
0033/3/88452356 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com)
[-- End of signed data --]
[-- Attachment #2 --]
[-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 0.2K --]
Sometimes you have just a couple of lines in the middle there.
Sometimes a couple of those few lines is a quote of someone
else's closing greeting.
Using Berkeley Mail to read your posts is even worse. (I used
Berkeley Mail for twelve years, giving it up two years ago for mutt.)
One cannot even read your posts in that without hitting the V key
and looking at it raw. Then it looks far messier than my above
example, even.
Without using the V key, I see (and this is the whole thing):
Message 1:
From procmail-bounces(_at_)lists(_dot_)RWTH-Aachen(_dot_)DE Fri Dec 17
14:55:51 2004
Delivered-To: dman+nomo(_at_)panix(_dot_)com
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:45:09 +0100
From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle(_at_)freenet(_dot_)de>
Subject: Re: OT: Re: Outlook filters to reciepes
To: procmail(_at_)lists(_dot_)RWTH-Aachen(_dot_)DE
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If I go into raw mode, I see, in this particluar list message of yours,
104 lines of header, then
--Boundary_(ID_L6cKQL/KjE5lSXXevIBKOQ)
Content-type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1;
protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary=NtwzykIc2mflq5ck
Content-disposition: inline
--NtwzykIc2mflq5ck
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Am 2004-12-16 13:37:19, schrieb Dallman Ross:
The ending is much worse, with the whole PGP sig showing.
That's a big load of crap to include with every message of what is
supposed to be an all-text list!
Now, let me ask you why you think you need to work so hard in advance
to save your reputation should some luser decide to try to forge
one of your precious posts? Why do we all have to wade through this
crap with every message *Just in Case*, for that one eventuality
that has never yet happened on this list in the eleven years I've
been reading it? I mean, I've never seen any old-time list memeber
post to this list something like, "Hey, that last post that said
it was from me? Well, get this, guys, it was FORGED! I didn't write
it!" But suppose for a minute that did happen. Would we then tell
him, "Um, sorry, chump, you didn't PGP your post, and we don't
*believe* you that it wasn't you!!" Or, uh, don't you think maybe
we'd just believe him the first time?
I can see uses for PGP in private communications. I can
see little use for it in list email where there are thousands
of subscribers, very few of whom particularly know anybody
else or care much if it was Kreemey who said "That recipe
doesn't work!" instead of Michelle. Pardon, but it all seems
just a bit like _Selbstverliebtheit_ to me.
3) MIME tags
???
There is no mailer which does not understand "multipart"
And HTML I can not send with mutt
I already said I use mutt. I just showed you what it looks
like. I'll add that we had this discussion once before. I think
it was about nine months ago, give or take a few months.
4) quoted signatures from others
All of my messages triped down and never I leave
Signatures from others, except I comment it :-)
Cut out extraneous text. Cut out extraneous text. Cut out
extraneous text. PLEASE! That means you don't need to quote
me saying "Ciao,/Dallman" when you quote my article back.
You (it is to be hoped) left the attribution in at the top,
so we all know (if we care) that Dallman wrote what you're
quoting.
Moreover, we have a searchabe archive for perpetuity should
anyone ever want more prior context.
How can you be subscribed to, whatver you said -- 800 lists
or some boggle like that -- and never have come across such
a concept as not quoting people's sigs and closing remarks?
Ciao,
Dallman
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