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On Wednesday 01 September 2004 01:12 pm, Paul Iadonisi wrote:
On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 15:59, Koen Martens wrote:
[snip]
I hope though that either MARID (the ietf workgroup pushing for
senderid if i'm correct) will come to it's senses, and either make
senderid acceptable to the whole internet, not just the Inc's and .coms
+ they put some envelope from checking in there, or failing that that
spf will carry on regardless of senderid.
<RANT>
You know, I've been patient, well mannered, and on-topic on the MARID
list since I first posted at the beginning of last call, but I've got to
agree with your last post to MARID: this process has disgusted me, too.
I keep saying it, and I'm going to keep saying it, that THREE LAWYERS
have stated that this license is incompatible with many FOSS licenses
(including the GPL) and ZERO LAWYERS have said otherwise. There's been
significant deployment problems presented to the MARID WG because of
this, and yet it I fear that it may still move forward as a standard.
We'll see, I guess. Last call ends in a few days. I, too, hope the
MARID WG comes to its senses.
I find it interesting that no one has contested what the lawyers have
said regarding this. It appears to be being ignored. PHB is right
about one thing, if I'm paraphrasing what he's stated correctly...that
the IETF is at risk of becoming increasingly irrelevant. I think maybe
what's need is a threat of a split like what happened with the W3C not
long ago. Though the W3C is not ideal, it's certainly better than the
IETF in its current form.
</RANT>
Sounds an awful lot like what the general feeling was during the XML debate.
Keep repeating the fact that SenderID cannot be implemented by GPL and
perhaps all Open Source implementations, and that the only way MARID can
proceed is to either ignore Microsoft's IP claims or to drop Sender ID and
pick up SPF again. I believe that the MARID group in general feels much
like you do and I believe that Sender ID is now irrelevant because it will
likely be dropped.
Microsoft drug their feet. They could've released their license a lot
earlier, accepted feedback from the community. But instead they waited
until the last minute. Well now they don't get a chance to rewrite it. They
have to stick with what they gave us. Since it is no good, Sender ID is not
an option. The only thing left is SPF.
Keep putting forward motions to abandon Sender ID because of IP claims and
incompatible licenses. It will get dropped, or MARID will become
irrelevant. Remember, this is Microsoft's fault for taking five months to
present their license!
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Jonathan M. Gardner
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