Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine <brunner(_at_)nic-naa(_dot_)net>
wrote:
I know that our knowledge-bases for registry, and registrar
operational art differs, significantly.
I agree. I also know that our opinions as to the contents of
technical discussions differ. You appeal to authority, without using
the evidence by which those authorities gained their reputation. I
refer to facts and evidence, and base my opinions on those.
Message-Id: <E19E9wg-0008Nn-00(_at_)mail(_dot_)nitros9(_dot_)org> contains what
appears
to be an expression of belief in the utility of "WHOIS rules".
IN the past three years I've talked to ccTLD whois operators, RIR whois
operators, RRP whois operators, EPP whois operators, whois users in the
DMA, my former co-workers at SRI, authors of the series of documents that
end in 954, whois server implementors, whacking big chunks of the entire
ICANN and CDT policy crowds, and it sometimes seems even God herself.
I don't consider whois:43 to be any part of the solution-space. I'll add,
I don't consider CRISP, uwho, and other 954-incompatible :43 mechanisms
to be part of the solution-space. Solutions to, or causes of, some other
problems? Yes. Spam? No.
Maybe you are right. Maybe I am wrong.
I also know that conveying knowledge or belief of error of fact
or conclusion from me to you is not effective. For instance, a
registrar always seeks to be paid, and is always billed by a
registry, and current payment mechanisms are capable of trace.
I fail to see how this contradicts, or adds anything to, what I said
in the message you're responding to.
Message-Id: <E19E9qV-0008NP-00(_at_)mail(_dot_)nitros9(_dot_)org> contains the
theory
that registrars can be motivated by second-order effects (from the point
of view of a registrar), viz:
"... registrars to be made accountable to the rest of the
network, for permitting spammers to operate."
This appears to overlook the possibility that registrars are motivated
by first-order effects (again, from the point of view of a registrar),
to wit -- non-payment by spammers, non-voidable charges by registries,
and charge-back policies by credit card operators.
Is that clearer? Do you see now that not knowing something impairs your
ability to reason about registrars? I wasn't born knowing what little I
know about registrars, and I'm still making what in hindsight are basic
operational errors (fortunately, so are my peers).
Perhaps there is some other activity you could undertake that is
more important to this list than my small little query about the
role of provisioning systems for domain names and non-persistent
emitters, a subset of this problem domain.
I would suggest that you take your "holier than thou" attitude, fold
it until it's all corners, and ingest it an inappropriate manner.
OK.
Your inattention will be appreciated.
Too bad. You'll have to suffer through my opinions, until such time
as either I unsubscribe from ASRG, or you choose to install blinders,
and filter any messages I send to the list out of your personal inbox.
The possibility exists that you'll write something useful and intelligent
on how RADIUS can, or cannot, be applied to this problem domain. You may
have other qualities I'm simply unaware of, which are relevent to this
list.
Eric
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