[Asrg] 6. Solutions - Replacing SMTP - GIEIS Analysis

This post relates to the 'GIEIS' system.  The release version is 0.005 and 
details job creations of up to 2.26 Million.  The 'GIEIS' system can be 
viewed here:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/giza.necropolis


Mark McCarron.


> From: Yakov Shafranovich <research(_at_)solidmatrix(_dot_)com>
> To: "Mark McCarron" 
> <markmccarron_itt(_at_)hotmail(_dot_)com>,asrg(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
> Subject: Re: [Asrg] 6. Solutions - Replacing SMTP - GIEIS Analysis
> Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 00:02:05 -0400
>
> At 03:47 AM 7/6/2003 +0000, Mark McCarron wrote:
> > ...
> > > > > 4. Participate in defining the consent framework.
> > > > Mark's Response:
> > > >
> > > > The consent framework will consist of white and black lists.  There will 
> > > > be no greylisting.  A complete opt-out will be allowed by 'GIEIS'.
> > > The group's consent framework is what we are currently working on.
> > Mark's Response:
> >
> > With all the self-interested posts that appear here with inaccurate 
> > information, a coherent consent framework is highly unlikely to develop.
> We are chartered to created such framework 
> (http://www.irtf.org/charters/asrg.html) and a draft is available. If you 
> had been following the discussions for the last few days you would have 
> seen that they are concentrated on that framework. If you do not wish to 
> contribute to anything else than your own proposal, then create your own 
> mailing list for its discussion and leave the group. This is what the 
> author of the SPF proposal did.

Mark's Response:

I have been following the discussion for the last few days.  Frankly, I have 
never seen so much nonsense posted in such a short period of time.  The 
'consent framework' is a few hours worth of work at most and full of things 
that are already known or done, how long did it take the group to develop 
this??  Since its creation???
It is not in the financial interests of this group to develop a solution as 
it would put the majority of posters and their associated firms completely 
out of business.  Thus, to anyone with any knowledge of the subject, it is 
very clear when people run around in circles deliberatly to prevent 
solutions from being developed.  This is a daily occurance at the Asrg.

> Additionally, this is a technical forum not a Madison Avenue marketing 
> firm. We are not interested in your marketing materials, or promises of 
> salvation from porn and spam. We are looking at technical details only and 
> do not wish to be informed of "how many jobs" your proposal will create or 
> how much money it will make.

Mark's Response:

So, this is what you call a technical forum??  Hardly any of you could 
understand the 'GIEIS' system until big daigrams appeared.  Furthermore, the 
issue lies solely at the SMTP protocol and the existing architecture of the 
Internet.  Nowhere else.  It can never be fixed unless 'GIEIS' is 
implemented.
The 'frameworks' and 'solutions' that have appeared in this forum defy even 
common sense at times, let alone technical reasoning.  If you want a forum 
were businesses prevent the development of solutions, the the Asrg is 
becoming very close to it.  Almost everyone, including the current chair, 
has open conflicts of interest in regards to the issue of spam.
In the past, Internet architecture has been an open affair for all to 
contribute too.  Due to the large sums of money now involved this practice 
will most likely be discontinued due to the conflicts of interest present.
Honestly, do you really think no one would notice that 99% of postings made 
to this group are junk designed to keep the issue going??

Mark McCarron
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/giza.necropolis

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