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Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: ISSUE: Better definition of "DKIM signing complete" required

2006-11-24 09:57:58
Stephen Farrell wrote:


Frank Ellermann wrote:
As they SHOULD NOT be used on _irregular_ mailing lists.  Maybe more
cases, we should ask the 'lemonade' folks what they think about this
"I (defined by 2822-From) sign everything DKIM-complete" construct.

Good idea. Do you know who to ask? If so, do so!
Can somebody explain to me what an "irregular" mailing list is?

I'm afraid that some people have a more "composed" idea of SSP than
I do. I think of SSP being two distinct things:

1) An information service provided by a domain which describes what
   it does as mail passes through its infrastructure
2) A mechanism for finding and fetching information provided by the
   service in (1).

I know that we've been talking about rfc2822.from alone with respect to
2 primarily, and that we've been pretty vague about whether the information
service in (1) has anything to do with any other address header. I'm not
convinced that that's right though: our signer at Cisco by policy always
signs messages which correspond to a From: or Sender: or Listid. If
SSP is just an information service, wouldn't it be better to just describe
what we do? There seems to be no particular harm in publishing what
is just a fact.

Whether a receiver wants to find/fetch information related to addresses
is its business alone. We've envisioned From as being the Most interesting
one, but it's not clear that that's _always_ the case, and we certainly
can't prevent a receiver from having an "unapproved" opinion about
which addresses it's interested in.

Long and short, my feeling is: SSP publish what it actually does; describe
the mechanism for looking up anything based on a rfc2822 address, and
just give some non-normative guidance about which addresses might be
interesting. Note also: phrasing things this way avoids the tar pit of claims
that we're "solving phishing", etc.

      Mike
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