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From: Andrew Newton [mailto:andy(_at_)hxr(_dot_)us]
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 3:53 AM
To: John Glube
Cc: Harry Katz; 'Ted Hardie'; 'Mark Lentczner'; IETF MARID WG
Subject: Re: IPR Disclosure for Sender-ID
John,
I have received no additional information regarding IPR for Sender-ID.
I do note the following:
o Reading the "Status of this Memo" section of
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-marid-core-02.t
xt, there is a statement that all IPR has been submitted.
o The text of
http://www.ietf.org/ietf/IPR/microsoft-ipr-draft-atkinson-callerid.txt
(which, incidentally, cites draft-ietf-simple-iscomposing-00)
is titled "Microsoft's Statement about IPR Claimed in
draft-atkinson-callerid"
o The title of the draft
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-atkinson-callerid-00
.txt is "Caller ID for E-mail".
o Section 3.2 of draft-atkinson-callerid-00.txt and
Section 4 of draft-ietf-marid-core-02.txt discuss the same
process for determining a "responsible" domain though the
wording is not identical.
o The title of draft-ietf-marid-core-02.txt is "Sender ID:
Authenticating E-Mail".
o The following web page is cited in the Caller ID IPR
claim as containing a license to implement:
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/twc/privacy/spam_senderid.mspx
o The above web page is titled "Sender ID" and contains a
link to "Caller ID for E-Mail Implementation License".
Based on this, I can see how a person could reasonably assume
that the patent claim for draft-atkinson-callerid-00.txt also
covers draft-ietf-marid-core-02.txt.
This topic is still on the agenda for the 4 August meeting.
The deadline of 2 August was given so that participants could
have time to read any additional material before the meeting.
-andy
On Aug 3, 2004, at 4:25 AM, John Glube wrote:
Andy,
Having completed a search of the IETF's IPR notices it
seems the only
filing by Microsoft to date is:
http://www.ietf.org/ietf/IPR/microsoft-ipr-draft-atkinson-calleri
d.txt
This was filed on May 28, 2004 and concerns
draft-aktinson-caller-id.
From the Sender-ID Schedule posted on 19.07.2004:
"Aug. 2 - Deadline to have all IPR information to the MARID working
group mailing list. This includes patent claims, licensing
information, and trademark issues."
http://www.imc.org/ietf-mxcomp/mail-archive/msg02749.html
With no filings being made and nothing being posted to the mailing
list, further to the comments of Ted Hardie on
19.07.04 regarding the license issue:
http://www.imc.org/ietf-mxcomp/mail-archive/msg02748.html
I request guidance.
* What is the present relevance if any of the filing by
Microsoft on
May 28, 2004 to draft-ietf-marid-core-02.txt titled "Sender ID:
Authenticating E-Mail" filed in July and found at:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-marid-core-02.txt
May this WG proceed forward on the basis that:
* MS has not abandoned its original position?
I ask this question as the MS web page dealing with Sender ID
continues to state:
"If you are a software developer and are interested in implementing
this specification in software, please review the terms of
the Caller
ID for E-Mail Implementation License before you begin, as
the patent
license discusses the rights that Microsoft would grant you or your
organization."
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/twc/privacy/spam_senderid.mspx
On 18.07.04, Henry Katz wrote:
"Thanks Bryce. I am drafting an FAQ to answer the
questions that have
been raised. As I'm sure you can appreciate, this needs review and
approval by attorneys (plural) and other folk here. I hope
to be able
to publish this FAQ to the list within the next few days.
I understand and appreciate the questions people have been asking.
Let me just say at this point that our intent is to
contribute our IP
to this working group and to encourage widespread
implementation and
adoption. I very much appreciate everyone's patience while
I gather
the answers to your questions."
http://www.imc.org/ietf-mxcomp/mail-archive/msg02737.html
* MS is not making an IPR claim concerning Sender-ID and therefore
software developers who are interested in implementing the
Sender-ID
specification have no need to seek a license from MS?
I ask this question as:
* there has been no filing by Microsoft concerning
draft-ietf-marid-core-02.txt
* nothing was posted to the list on August 2, 2004;
* the following comment by Mark Lentczner on July 30, 2004 when he
wrote in part:
"The current form of the PRA algorithm (in core-02) is neither
heuristic nor proprietary nor arcane: It is a direct
embodiment of the
2822 concept of the mailbox that sent or resent the message. The
priorities and orderings of the headers checked is follow directly
from the 2822 definition of the headers. I'm sure the
description in
core-02 could be more clear in this regard."
http://www.imc.org/ietf-mxcomp/mail-archive/msg02927.html
I appreciate your time in this matter and await your guidance.
John
P.S. There is a sense of urgency. MS announced on 22.07.04 it will
begin testing Sender-ID on 01.10.04 on the MSN and Hotmail
domains. MS
is urging other ISPs to follow suit. Time is beginning to
run out for
this deadline.
The IPR issue was placed on the WG Agenda for August 4.
In anticipation, on 19.07.04 the WG asked for a posting by
02.08.04.
The time line has lapsed.
cc. Ted, Harry, Mark and the IETF Marid Mailing List
John Glube
Toronto, Canada
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