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Re: RFC 5321 4.4 Trace info

2008-11-07 01:09:12

--On Thursday, 06 November, 2008 15:19 -0600 Pete Resnick
<presnick(_at_)qualcomm(_dot_)com> wrote:

On 11/6/08 at 12:35 PM -0800, ned+ietf-smtp(_at_)mrochek(_dot_)com wrote:

I think right is :  "Time-stamp-line"      - no confusing 
"Received", because time stamp defines received.

I don't support this change. While "time-stamp-line" may be
more  technically correct, even experienced email
implementors won't  recognize the term and will have to
search for it. Received", OTOH,  is a much better known and
better understood term.

I agree with Ned about the above suggestion. But 4.4 is easily
clarified to make it so that folks like Ivar don't get

... it MUST insert trace (often referred to as "time stamp" or
"Received") information at the beginning of the message...

I have tentatively made this change in the working draft of
rfc5321bis.   However, please note that this text is redundant
with a paragraph earlier in the document that starts.

# When the SMTP server accepts a message either for relaying
# or for final delivery, it inserts a trace record (also
# referred to interchangeably as a "time stamp line" or
# "Received" line) at the top...

The somewhat abbreviated form of the second parenthetical note
about the alternate terminology may have been induced by the
earlier, longer, form.

If I get motivated, or someone makes a specific suggestion that
seems usable, I will try to eliminate that redundancy.

 -- your friendly editor