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Re: Requesting comments on draft-cheney-safe-02.txt

2009-08-13 12:32:13

Cheney, Edward A SSG RES USAR USARC wrote:
This has become an absolutely horrific experience that has long since
left the field of argument.

Actually, you've been given consistently constructive responses, and with vastly more diligence and persistence than I'd have recommended. You are consuming quite a lot of experienced and expensive talent on this list.

The core problem is that you've systematically rejected any that you didn't want to hear; you seem to think that by pressing harder you will be able to steamroll past folks with concerns or disagreements. The difference between a response mode that attempts only to sell one's point of view, versus one that seeks mutual understanding and agreement, is fundamental. There is nothing subtle about evaluating which you've chosen. Persuasion versus collaboration are fundamentally different goals. You've chosen to attempt the former, in a venue that calls for the latter.

Take a look over the lengthy thread. Unless I've misread the exchange, you haven't recruited any support. None. Yet garnering support is at the core of how the IETF works. It is the key filter for making progress in the IETF.

Again: You have been given an extensive set of constructive responses. You need to accept them and adapt your work and your working style accordingly.


  Dave Crocker
  Brandenburg InternetWorking

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